This Should Piss Off Religious Twits

[Tobie]

As usual Clyde you manage to miss the point. Try reading Davies' comment slowly...maybe you'll understand it then...

Well, it's "Clive", but since it's a fake internet name anyway, I'm not going to sweat it.

But I've read Davies' comment, and I believe that I understand it. I'll attempt to paraphrase it:


"Some claim that moral values are derived from religion, but I'm irreligious and yet have moral values (don't steal, liberty is good, etc.). These moral values do not come from any religion."

I still don't see a proof that these values cannot be shown to derive from religion.

Theists love to prance around making all sorts of absurd claims about the alleged morality of their murderous god. Davies' leaves the burden of proof solidly on you. See what you can do to rehabilitate your angry desert deity.

...erm, Davies is the one who has made a claim. Specifically, he said that "none of these can be shown to derive from religion, and certainly not from the Bible." The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim; I'd be very interested to see such a proof. Like I said, I really enjoy proofs that something can't be proven.

Christians are the ones making the claim that morality comes from the bible, therefore they are making the positive claim.

As for modern laws, I doubt any christian countries and many Islamic countries have a legal code that perfectly mirrors the rules found in their respective book.

The fact is that there is no evidence for the claim that morality comes from religion, and there is evidence for morality coming from evolution. Just think, you ignore bits of the bible that you think are outdated/wrong which means you have morals that are independent of your own holy book. All evidence suggests that morality is not absolute; for example, slavery was OK less than 200 years ago, but its seen as despicable nowadays. The moral code found in religious books will all someday be out of date, so how likely is it that any of them gave you your morality?