RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 4, 2012 at 1:41 pm
(This post was last modified: August 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm by spockrates.)
(August 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm)LastPoet Wrote:Spockrates Wrote:I don't think the lack of writing prior to a person's death is necessarily a deal breaker. For example, there is no writing about Socrates prior to his death. But that does not prevent me from discounting the writings of Xenophon, or Socrates disciple Plato as fairy tales!
Sure, as long you wish to believe it hard enough, anything and everything will do to justify said belief.
To some of us, that isn't enough. You are forgetting something important (or purposedly forgetting IMO): Socrates and Xenophon do not claim to have supernatural powers, all writings about them are about philosopphy, something at the grasp of the most simple of humans. Remember that!
So are you saying, LP that if the writers of the New Testament never claimed Jesus did things you and I find impossible to do, you really wouldn't have a problem believing in him?
(August 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:That would be quite a find, since he lived in obscurity up until the last three years if his life.
Again, you (probably deliberately) miss the point. It doesn't matter if your boy was ALIVE....what matters is that there were other writers who were ALIVE and did not hear of him.
You are giving us the classic xtian paradox. At one and the same time you insist that he was a fucking nobody that no one paid any attention to BUT he was also so fucking dangerous that the High Priests had to break every rule in the fucking book to hold a trial on Passover. Make up your mind.
A writer, like Philo, who died c 50 AD and commented extensively on Jewish affairs, never heard of a condemned criminal who came back to life and was hailed as the fucking messiah in Philo's own lifetime? Grow up.
I'd say I was careless, rather than deliberate, but your criticism is valid. I indeed did not understand the opening post and appreciate the correction.
(August 4, 2012 at 7:49 am)Gambit Wrote: My ex (For the 50th time) is trying to keep me out of our unborn child's life because she believes in the existence of Jesus and his divinity, however, I have serious doubts. ...
If it is none of my business, please say so. In what way is your ex trying to keep you out of the unborn child's life?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock