(August 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You don't get to pull stuff out of your arse and stick the theory label on it. Well, you can of course, but it won't sell round here. Two words for you, then we can talk:
Citation needed.
(August 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm)catfish Wrote: What's quite telling that my theory may be true is the account that the Jews asked for a curse to put on them for condemning Yeshua to crucifixion. Do you honestly think a group of people would say such a thing?
What's really telling about this whole crucifixion story is that without all the torture and blood sacrifice, the xtians have no basis for salvation to sell to the gullible and the desperate. To put it another way, if JC hadn't been flailed and nailed, then he didn't die for our sins. Thus, to borrow the viewpoint of a god-devised plan for saving humanity, the condemnation of the character was an essential part of it. You lot ought to be parading the Jewish people as heroes who saved the world from sin.
Citation needed for what, may I ask? The curse reference?
I've read the Bible, blood sacrifice doesn't cover the sins of the world by no means. Every sinner would have had to offered up Jesus as a sacrifice to coincide with Jewish law. Even then, sacrifice would only have covered unintentional sin (IE, accidently eating pork). The sacrifice wasn't performed on a proper altar either. The Bibile also states that no man may pay a ransom for another's sin.
As for your claim that without the crucifixion, there would be no salvation, Yeshua's words contradict that statement. "JC" offered reconcilliatian while he was alive by simply believing in his name (YHWH is salvation). He never said one would have to accept some paganised sacrifice and believe in any myths made up after he died.
