Apathy, gods best friend

[jonb]

but the point I am trying to convey is that this apathy allows people who are motivated to get things done. And thats one thing you have to give to the religious, they are certainly well motivated and unified towards a common cause(usually to further their own influence)

No I read the situation differently, yes religious groups do tend to be tight and can get things done, but there are many different groups with many different views and actually they all council each other out. In britain, true if one set of these nutters got the upper hand like in the southern USA, Italy, Saudi, we would have a problem, but in britain their disunity makes them irrelevant, and as such this allows most of the population to sit back and say religion is irrelevant.
Change is happening slowly it is true, but the movement still seems to be in the right direction. Having said that old men like me can get complacent, so a kick up the pants, once in a while saying things are not moving fast enough or might seem to be moving in the wrong direction is a good thing to do to us.