RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 15, 2012 at 11:46 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2012 at 11:48 am by FallentoReason.)
(August 15, 2012 at 6:18 am)Godschild Wrote:(August 15, 2012 at 3:37 am)FallentoReason Wrote: That's a good point there. The world is definitely run by the people who turn up. How about this scenario:
We're all sitting at a table talking about life in general. Unexpectedly, a newcomer turns up and wants to join our conversation; so he does. This newcomer starts telling the rest of the group about weird and wonderful things that the others haven't heard, so they ask him to back up his claims.
Sound familiar? Replace the table with Atheistforums.org. Now then, why should I believe what you tell me is true? You're the newcomer who is here to persuade us, so show us some proof.
Time has nothing to do with truth, lies are as old as the world, truth has always existed.
Strawman. I was vaguely talking about burden of proof.
I agree with your statement though. Unlucky for you though, you are telling me what truth has apparently always existed, which means this is the part where you bring forth the proof of your claim. May I see it?
(August 15, 2012 at 10:10 am)spockrates Wrote:(August 14, 2012 at 11:56 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: For me personally I see a contradiction between what gets taught in any church today and what the history of the time has to say for itself. Even the Bible itself disagrees with e.g. Matthew/John being the ones who wrote their Gospels (they're in 3rd person).
After the many things that just didn't add up I got to a point where I had to be honest with myself and accept it for what it was... And personally it was anything but the story of the Son of God coming to save the world from what HE started.
Thucydides is believed by many scholars to be the greatest historian of ancient Greece. Does the fact that he wrote of himself in the third person prove he did not write any of the works scholars attribute to him?
http://www.answers.com/topic/thucydides
Britannica Concise Encyclopedia:
Thucydides
(born 460died 404 ) Greatest of ancient Greek historians. An Athenian who commanded a fleet in the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides failed to prevent the capture of the important city of Amphipolis and consequently was exiled for 20 years. During that period he wrote his History of the Peloponnesian War; evidently he did not live to complete it, for it stops abruptly in 411 . It presents the first recorded political and moral analysis of a nation's war policies, treating the causes of the conflict, the characters of the two states, and the technical aspects of warfare in a carefully drawn, strictly chronological narrative of events, including some in which he took an active part.
Gale Encyclopedia of Biography:
Thucydides
Thucydides writes of himself in the third person in his History. He relates that he was a general at the age of 30 (4.104); indicated that he was of the age of discretion during the entire war (5.26.5); expresses his pride as a soldier and his devotion to Pericles (2.31); defends the generals at Megara (4.73.4); reveals that he owns property in the mining district in Thrace (4.105.1); and relates the fact of his exile and the circumstances surrounding it (5.26).
That's a fair point. There's more to it than just third person with the Gospels though. Matthew seems to have used Mark and John is simply an outlier that doesn't fit in all that well with the Synoptics.
Witnesses? I doubt it.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle