Better reasons to quit Christianity

[The Grand Nudger]

So you are thinking time is already static, and nothing anyone decides

With the precog present no one decides. See how difficult it is to even form a thought about this once we invoke the precog?

to do and does will change time. You might be right.

There is no changing that which is predestined. It doesn't really matter whether or not time actually behaves this way, but the the example of a precog and predestination demand that it must (if we are going to accept them).

Then again, time might be constantly changing. Rather than like stained-glass, it might be more of a kaleidoscope. If you, or I were to travel to the future, and return to the past, the outcome we witnessed ahead of time might not be the outcome that actually turns out to be when the future arrives again.

Then we are left with no precog, just as I mentioned many posts ago.

The outcome we saw in our time-traveling holiday might have been only one of many possible outcomes.

Each within it's own timeline is equally as predestined btw.....

But I've asked myself, "What if Rythm is correct and time is changeless and free choice is merely an illusion? Would this be proof that God does not exist?"

You're looking for proof in an ass backwards fashion, and that's whats gotten us into this precognitive pickle to begin with. Are you actually surprised that no matter what criticisms I come up with you have been able to conclude "god"? I'm not.

The reason why I asked myself is because Calvinists and others who hold to the tenets of Reformed Theology would agree with you and say freewill is unreal, and all that we say, think and do, all that was and is and is to come, is predetermined by God.

And yet they would have us be responsible for our sins, for our choices. They aren't escaping this any better than you are.

(Yes, I understand you disagree that anyone or anything caused time to be static, but I'm wondering how time being static and freewill being an illusion is any proof that God cannot possibly exist, since this is exactly what Calvinists believe.)

Again, I don't agree or disagree with anything of the sort, I'm trying to explain the requirements for precognition and how they relate to "choice".

I'm not looking to determine whether or not your god (or the calvinists god) exists Spock, I'm laying out some problems with these claimed attributes of fictional characters and their proposed interactions with we mere mortals. At what point during any of this have I ever tried to make the point that because of precognition your god does not exist? I think you're attempting to divert the flow of conversation away from what you have realized is a lost cause, a sinking ship..the precognitive god and predestined universe in which human beings are responsible for their choices. I think that the implications of these claims are plainly clear. The precognitive creator god in a predestined universe becomes the tormentor of machines that it itself created for no other reason than that they are machines. Not exactly a flattering appraisal of this god (I like to remind Calvinists of this whenever they present the opportunity btw.)

Of course not, for choice is an illusion and as unreal as God! But don't you mean you cannot honestly say you had any choice at all? If someone asks why you don't love them, I suppose you can sincerely say, "It's not I who chose to hate you; Time made me do it!"

LOL, no, because I don't remember choosing those whom I love or those whom I do not, regardless of whether or not I make real choices or illusory choices, I don't recall ever having had this one even as an illusory option.

No, I tell them "because I don't".