RE: What should replace Pascal's wager in my opinion.
August 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm
(This post was last modified: August 28, 2012 at 5:16 pm by Cyberman.)
A little late to the party but like the Red Queen said "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" and these threads can move very fast indeed if you don't pay attention.
Anyway, here's what I wanted to say. I'm sure I've shared this before but since the topic is about Pascal's folly and what should replace it, this seems the perfect place for it to go. It's a short article which seems to be very hard to find online anymore, so it's lucky I kept a copy (only ever so slightly adapted to my personality and style) for my own files. It's an evaluation of the wager and its many problems but also suggests an alternative and much more reasonable version. I appreciate it looks a little daunting but please do give it five minutes:
Anyway, here's what I wanted to say. I'm sure I've shared this before but since the topic is about Pascal's folly and what should replace it, this seems the perfect place for it to go. It's a short article which seems to be very hard to find online anymore, so it's lucky I kept a copy (only ever so slightly adapted to my personality and style) for my own files. It's an evaluation of the wager and its many problems but also suggests an alternative and much more reasonable version. I appreciate it looks a little daunting but please do give it five minutes:
Quote:Pascal’s Wager
Pascal’s Wager is well known to many atheists. On the internet, it is probably the single most common argument heard from Christians, and the regulars of newsgroups such as alt.atheism feel cheated if a week goes by without someone bringing it up (this rarely happens), only to be shot down in flames (this always happens). This article was written specifically to deal with it.
Pascal’s Wager is quite simple and appears, superficially, to be a strong and compelling argument for theism. However, a little close scrutiny soon reveals the flawed logic and reasoning behind it, which actually makes it one of the weakest arguments a theist could come up with.
The Wager
Pascal’s Wager can be presented in many different forms, usually something like this:
“If you believe, and God exists, you gain everything. If you disbelieve, and God exists, you lose everything.”
Alternatively:
“It makes more sense to believe in God than to not believe. If you believe, and God exists, you will be rewarded in the afterlife. If you do not believe, and He exists, you will be punished for your disbelief. If He does not exist, you have lost nothing either way.”
It amounts to hedging your bets. The consequences upon your death are shown here:
I believe: God exists - Go To Heaven; God does not exist - Nothing
I do not believe: God exists - Burn In Hell; God does not exist - Nothing
The worst case for the theist is no afterlife, the worst case for the atheist is an eternity in Hell. You can see why this appears to be a potentially convincing argument - it is sensible to choose the least-worst case.
The flaws
The most obvious problems with Pascal’s Wager are:
• How do you know which god to believe in? There are plenty to choose from, and if you pick the wrong one, you could be in big trouble (e.g. what if you choose Jesus, but get to heaven only to come face-to-trunk with Ganesh?). This is known as the ‘Avoiding the wrong Hell problem.’ If a dozen people of different religions came to you with Pascal’s Wager, how could you possibly choose between them? After all, many religions are quite specific that they are the One True Religion, and not any others. Jesus Christ is supposed to have said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. None shall come to the Father except through me.” [emphasis added] and no doubt most other religions make similar claims. If a Christian considers the Wager as strong support for his faith, surely he must accept that it is equally valid for all other religions when presented to himself?
• God is surely not stupid. Won’t it know that you’re just trying to get a free ride into Heaven? How can you sincerely believe in a god simply out of convenience?
• If there is no God, you have still lost something. You have wasted a good portion of your life performing the various devotional rituals, attending Churches, praying, reading scripture and discussing your deity with His other followers. Not to mention giving your hard-earned money to the church, wasting your intelligence on theological endeavours and boring the hell out of people who really don’t want to hear your Good News.
• Can you get away with just sort of generally believing in a Supreme Being, without specifically believing in one particular Deity? Probably not - God will still know what you’re up to. Also, many gods are quite particular about how they should be worshipped. Many born-again Christians will tell you that the only way to Heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour - nothing more and nothing less. General-Deity-Belief and being nice simply won’t do. Many people believe that all the different religions are merely alternative routes to the same destination. Nice and tolerant (if a little warm ‘n’ fuzzy) though this may be, there is no valid reason to accept this stance over the fire-and-brimstone fundamentalist position: if the fundies are right, then the un-Saved liberal theists are in just as much trouble as the nonbelievers.
• Few, if any, atheists disbelieve in deities out of choice. It’s not as if we know the god is really there, but somehow refuse to believe in it (for example, see if you can choose to truly believe that Australia does not exist). Most atheists disbelieve simply because they know of no compelling evidence to suggest that any sort of god exists. If you want an atheist to believe, show her some good evidence, don’t just say it’s in her best interests to believe even if there is no god. A person cannot choose to sincerely believe in something, just because it is pragmatic to do so. Sure, you could say all the right prayers and attend church regularly, but that is not the same thing as actually believing, and any god worth its salt would obviously see straight through that.
• It is quite insulting. It amounts to a thinly veiled threat, little better than saying “Believe in my God or He’ll send you to Hell” (in fact, this is often the form in which it is presented). Also, the theist making this threat assumes that the atheist believes there is a Hell or a god to send him there in the first place. If you don’t believe in Hell anyway, it’s not a scary thing to be threatened with - a bit like saying “If you don’t start believing in unicorns, one will trample you to death while you’re sleeping.” Who would be worried by that?
• It is often self-refuting, depending on the person’s description of God. If you believe that God will forgive anyone for anything, or judge people purely on how they lived their life and not what they believed, or that everyone gets to Heaven regardless (unless maybe they were genocidal cannibal serial killers), then the Wager is meaningless. You might as well say “Believe in God, or you’ll... erm... go to Heaven anyway.” In such a case, it doesn’t make a scrap of difference whether the person believes or not.
Pascal’s Wager is hopelessly flawed. It sounds good at first, but poke it with the spike of reason and it quickly deflates, letting out all the hot air.
An alternative - The Atheist’s Wager
This seems to be much more reasonable, both for atheists and for theists:
“It is better to live your life as if there are no gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no god, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent god, it will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in it.”
(And if the god is not benevolent, it’s gonna git ya whatever you do!)
This can be shown as:
I believe: God exists - Go To Heaven because you believed; God does not exist - Wasted life praying etc.
I do not believe: God exists - Go To Heaven because you’re a good person; God does not exist - Made the world a better place
Has anyone got the number for Pascal’s Pager?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'