[split]Ron Paul plays Yahtzee with Nazis

[Tiberius]

no you listed what ron paul says if someone asks, why he has these insane posistions. I said, I know what he says, and said he's lying.

I hold that you have no evidence whatsoever that he is lying; you just want him to be lying. Until you present evidence, we can only go with his words and his actions, and both of them speak well for him. He has consistently supported his positions for his entire time in public office. Even before that time, there is far more evidence to support that he had no racist ideals at all. For instance, this anti-attack ad the campaign released documented the story of a poor mixed-race family, who were refused help by all doctors apart from Ron Paul when the wife went into labour. Ron Paul also refused to bill them for his services.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

Do you support outlawing abortion?

My opinion on abortion is...mixed. Some circumstances should certainly be outlawed. Others...perhaps not.

Do you beleive global warming is a hoax?

No, but I don't think many climate scientists are being 100% honest either.

If you don't, then why do you support a "fringe candidate" who has no hope of winning even if he did really mean what he says?

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise you had to vote for candidates that you agreed 100% on everything with. How silly of me. </sarcasm>

Seriously though, I support Ron Paul because I agree with him on most things he says. Out of the two potential disagreements you cited, I view them as very minor issues compared to the actual important things we should be focusing on, like getting the economy back on track, regaining our personal liberty, and stopping senseless wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on drugs.

He's only a "fringe" candidate because the media label him so. He has a very large percentage of the youth vote, and the youth vote will soon become the "mature" vote.

And I'm sure many crazy people of all kinds support both of the 2 established right and left wing political parties in our 2 party system.... the democrat and republican parties.

Yes, they do. My point was, you can't use supporters to define a candidate. It's unfair, since the candidate has zero control over this. If a racist wants to vote for Ron Paul, how is it Ron Paul's fault?

Anyway since you seem to think the only way to "prove" someone is a white supremacist is if they have a swastika tattoo'ed on their forehead.

When did I say that? I said that looking at the photo, you couldn't tell the guys were racists. The photo looks like it was taken at some sort of public event; there is no evidence whatsoever that Ron Paul knew who the guys were. He's a nice guy...he poses for photos with lots of people.

There's no point in discussing this with you because eventually you'll just start telling me obama secret ninja army put all this evidence, and photoes and all the videos of him speaking at white power rallies and confrences were all doctored.

Since you have yet to present any photos and videos of him speaking at white power rallies and conferences, I can't see how you can claim this. No, I'm not going to say it's a secret Obama ninja army...I'm saying it's you, lying through your teeth. Show me the evidence, not just your words. You've already demonstrated yourself to be dishonest about Ron Paul's stated positions, so I am not in any position to trust you when you say these photos exist.

Regardless, as I've stated other times in other threads, even if Ron Paul was at one time a racist, why should that be held against him if he has clearly changed his views? People shouldn't be judged on the opinions they once held, but by the opinions they currently hold, because it is those opinions that matter, and those opinions that affect the policies they try to implement.

Even the ones in the 90's right?.......Seeing as how obama's birth certificate was faked by the governor of hawaiii in the 1940's your obviously "aware" this commie/muslim extremist takeover has been happening for years............

Obama's birth certificate was not faked. You seem more obsessed with conspiracy theories that I do, yet you are charging me with believing all this nonsense despite the fact I've never hinted at believing it. Learn to debate properly; making baseless accusations about your opponent is not just rude, but is a red herring and borderline ad hominem.

So how deep into this illuminati crap are you? Let me guess you think the Federal Reserve is evil? right?

Again, I have made no statements in this thread or anywhere else to even suggest that I believe the Illuminati exists. You are making completely baseless assertions...stop it. The federal reserve is not evil, but it is out of control. I agree with Ron Paul's "audit the fed" bill; I hope it passes.