(September 3, 2012 at 2:33 am)Godschild Wrote: Secular morality is what the ones in power determine it to be, why don't you go argue your point with the Chinese or Russians, tell them they have to apply morality as you see it. First you should become a citizen of those countries and then tell them.
A vacuous point that applies equally to you anyway. Why don't you argue your point with the Chinese or Russians and tell them they have to apply morality as Christianity sees it? You should become a citizen of one of those countries and then tell them. And? All it demonstrates in either formulation is the unwillingness of China or Russia to adopt people's pet morality.
Also, "the ones in power" write laws in every country, by extension determining morality (at least to some degree; i.e., killing is wrong, etc.). However, this ignores the fact that in secular first world countries the ones in power are elected representatives. The US, UK, Australia, Japan, Sweden, to name a few (I know not all of them are technically secular), are not dictatorships (which I acknowledge you haven't said) and elect people to represent the population. Despite their problems they're very good places to live. You make it sound (perhaps unintentionally or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you) as if secularity leads to oppressive regimes, or that the ones in power don't determine law in non-secular countries, neither of which is true. The ones in power determine morality to some degree in every country. The difference is in how far they go and how heavy handed they are in enforcing it.