(September 4, 2012 at 2:05 am)Godschild Wrote: Why in secular morality is murder considered immoral, why can't it be considered moral? There are those who do not think murder is immoral, why should they have to be forced to live by the morality of the majority.
...and here we go again. How many times is this? Do I get a prize for repeating it for the 100th time? Maybe then it will sink in?
Murder is morally wrong because it violates the will and rights of another. We as community beings that humans are, live and survive by a social contract. Those who would want to be able to murder others without being murdered themselves are in violation of that social contract and guilty of hypocrisy. Additionally, we are empathetic beings, we feel one another's pain and would not want such pain visited upon us.
What I wrote about is a far better explanation of what morality is than what the Christians offer "cause big invisible sky daddy sez so" which is nothing more than an appeal to authority and might-makes-right. In your case GC, you have said you are quite comfortable with your god making up rules and enforcing them arbitrarily, but this is not morality at all.
Quote:All the atheist and nonbelievers I've spoken to do not believe they should have to live by God's moral code, necessarily, yet the majority in this country believe that God's moral code is better than the rest.
How many of them know what that moral code even is? How many have read Leviticus or the rest of the Bible? Of those who do, what does it mean to live by Yahweh's laws and yet disregard them at will because "Jesus died for that."?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist