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The abortion paradox
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RE: The abortion paradox
(September 6, 2012 at 12:23 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Typical response from the morally confused. There is a difference between the punishment of the guilty versus slaughter of the innocent. That said I do not support the death penalty, for practical, not philosophical reasons.

So a woman is to be punished because you have a moral obligation to a fetus? Because the fetus hasn't had the chance to lose any innocence, a woman who doesn't want to go through a pregnancy and have a baby should be punished? Who the fuck is morally confused here again?

Your appeals to emotionalism, by using terms such as "slaughter of the innocent", is pathetic. Try to be reasonable instead, maybe? It helps.

(September 5, 2012 at 11:18 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Do you support social programs that feed and house people without means?

Quote:Yes.

Too bad we don't live in a perfect world, eh?

(September 5, 2012 at 11:18 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Does every born child not deserve love?
Every child deserves to be loved. The first act of love is allowing it to live. Stop lying to yourself. Killing a child is not an act of mercy.

Quote:Of course. Aren't you? Or are you saying that because you don't want to love and care for the unwanted children, they should be killed?

Nope. I love and care for my children, and a few other people's children too, but I can't care for the millions of children who aren't aborted, and die horrible, slow deaths at the hands of selfish parents.

There needs to be an option for those who can't or don't wish to love and care for their children. There's too many unwanted children in the world as it is. I know it's hard to see from inside your godbubble, but it's true. Abortion is the solution for some of those people.

Quote:So your solution is to kill babies so they they won't be neglected. Is that mercy?

Who said anything about killing babies? I am talking about abortion.


(September 5, 2012 at 11:18 pm)aleialoura Wrote: you don't have any right whatsoever to prevent someone from having an abortion, if an abortion is what someone wants.

Quote:Unless we have a moral obligation to very very young and vulnerable human beings.

You have a moral obligation to the fetus in your body, and no one else. End of story.

Quote:
Therefore your solution is to kill all the problem children. The person who aborts to cut expenses greedily places a higher value on their own comfort that the life of another human being. Greed drives them to kill.

No. I don't think anyone should kill babies. I'm confused, because in the next sentence you said 'abort'.

You talk as if everyone in the world already has this standard of comfort. That's just not true. Some people can't even afford to feed themselves. To cut expenses, you first have to have something to spend. Being able to reason that since you can't care for yourself, and therefore can't care for a baby doesn't make you greedy. Having an abortion doesn't make you a killer.

Every month when I have menses, I am technically having an abortion. My body's natural processes make me do that, not greed.

Quote:While you are at it, feel free to kill all the Jews, blacks and homosexuals. At one time they too were believed to be less than human.

At one time???

ROFLOL

That time has passed, right? Because no one believes that about Jews, blacks, and homosexuals anymore, right? Fuck, you do live in a dream world.

I care about unborn babies, sure, but I also care about the women who carry them. They're humans, and they have rights to their own bodies, fetuses and you do not.

Quote:It's so easy to kill when you believe someone isn't really a person. But don't you dare turn away from the ultrasound while you jab scissors into the back of their tiny little skulls...

Sweetheart, I've held the hand of a 12 year old while she had an abortion. It's not pretty, and it is sad. I don't think anyone in their right mind would be pro-abortion. I know I am not, but I am pro-choice. Now that 12 year old girl gets to put her life back together, instead of bearing her father's child, and having a c-section before the 8th fucking grade, because she only weighs 84 pounds, and her body can't accommodate a vaginal birth. I have compassion for born people. Why the fuck don't you?
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The abortion paradox - by Ciel_Rouge - September 5, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 5, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 5, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Erinome - September 5, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 5, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Lion IRC - September 5, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Erinome - September 5, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 6, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Erinome - September 6, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Erinome - September 6, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 6, 2012 at 12:51 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by CapnAwesome - September 6, 2012 at 4:56 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Ciel_Rouge - September 6, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by CapnAwesome - September 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by CapnAwesome - September 6, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 6, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 7:37 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by festive1 - September 5, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 5, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Erinome - September 6, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Faith No More - September 5, 2012 at 11:31 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 5, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 6, 2012 at 1:18 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Undeceived - September 6, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Darth - September 6, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 6, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Godschild - September 6, 2012 at 2:05 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 6, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 3:55 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Faith No More - September 6, 2012 at 8:14 am
The abortion paradox - by festive1 - September 6, 2012 at 8:22 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by KichigaiNeko - September 6, 2012 at 9:27 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 9:45 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by KichigaiNeko - September 6, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 6, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 12:22 pm
The abortion paradox - by festive1 - September 6, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by LastPoet - September 6, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 6, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 6, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 6, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 6, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Anomalocaris - September 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Faith No More - September 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by festive1 - September 6, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by festive1 - September 6, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Anomalocaris - September 6, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 6, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Neo-Scholastic - September 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 6, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 6, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Erinome - September 7, 2012 at 4:07 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Waratah - September 7, 2012 at 4:43 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 7, 2012 at 11:24 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by genkaus - September 7, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: The abortion paradox - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 7, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by LastPoet - September 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 7, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Faith No More - September 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Ryantology - September 7, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Minimalist - September 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 7, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Red Celt - September 7, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Cyberman - September 7, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Ryantology - September 8, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Polaris - September 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by Ryantology - September 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by LastPoet - September 8, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by ThomM - September 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: The abortion paradox - by TaraJo - September 9, 2012 at 9:21 pm

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