RE: Martin and Zimmerman - A reasoned logical discussion
September 12, 2012 at 5:33 am
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2012 at 5:45 am by Puddleglum.)
(September 12, 2012 at 5:05 am)Faith No More Wrote:Puddleglum Wrote:Not quite as stupid as the previous post but...
No need to be a condescending asshole. Don't whine about wanting a rational discussion and then start your posts in such a manner.
Puddleglum Wrote:Zimmerman was not 'repeatedly told' to do anything so that is your first untrue statement. he 'Once' was told 'we do not need you to do that' which is not telling someone not to do anything not that the Police despatacher had any legal right to tell him not to follow someone.
He was told to get back into his car by the 911 operator, but I guess this point is irrelevant too. What matters is the reckless disregard he acted with.
Puddleglum Wrote:The aggressor was whoever threw the first punch. I have no idea who that was and neither do you.
Bullshit. Zimmerman stalked Martin in the middle of the night. If Martin did throw the first punch, it was because he felt threatened. Why should Zimmerman get to hide behind self-defense for a criminal charge while the fact of whether or not Martin was acting in self-defense is ignored. Without Zimmerman's careless actions and vigilante attitude Martin would still be alive making him responsible.
Bullshit?
Zimmerman 'Stalked 'Martin' in the middle of the night? Now lets look at that. Since Zimerman was behind Martin then Zimmerman either ran after him in order to catch up with him -hardly stalking or Martin waited to confront him. If Zimmerman was just stalking Martin then Martin would have gotten back home leaving Zimmerman outside realing that martin was legally in a residence.
Neither you or I know why Martin threw a first punch if he did so, It could be for any number of reasons. It may be because he feltthreatened but if he did feel threatened them why did he not go home as quickly as possible?
Once again until that first punch was thrown you have not given any evidence that Zimmerman was acting unlawfully. Zimmerman may have been acting unlawfully but there is no evidnece to state that he did.
As for being told to get back in the car. I am just listening right now to the 7.09 PM call. From Zimmermans comments Martin is not proceeding to his house at the beginning but is 'staring at Zimmerman' (53 seconds in) at just after 2 minutes Martin starts running. Now Zimmerman has left the car at this point and is following Amrtin but clearly not running. He was not told to 'get back in the car'.
So Martin has started running from Zimmerman and if martin had just rab back home then he would have arrived there within two minutes whilst Zimmerman was still on the phone to the Police. However Martin doesn;t go home . He makes a call to his girlfriend.
If What Zimmerman says is true (and I'm not accepting that as fact at this time) Then martin was actually lying in wait for him and attacked him. since Zimmerman had every lawfull right to follow Martin then Martin is not the agressor. Following someone is not an unlawful act.
If Martin aimed to ambush Zimmerman instead of proceeding home then Martin is the Clear aggressor but we have no evidence of this.
We certainly have no evidence to convcit Zimmerman so far.
I'm happy to look at any evidence that anyone wants to post but My current position still remains that I have no idea what really happened and that therefore there is not enough evidence to convict. I have no ineterst in any emotional responses, crap about martin being a 'child' or conversely any crap about him having a trace amount of marijuana in his sytem.
