RE: A message to Islam
September 13, 2012 at 12:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm by Brian37.)
(September 13, 2012 at 11:56 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: I agree that there has to be Muslims encouraging human rights and making a stand against extremism but at the same time Muslim extremists are quite violent and probably won't hesitate to kill someone they view to be guilty of heresy. You can see why there isn't a strong Muslim opposition to extremism when you take this into account.There isn't because of fear that dominates the theocracies in the east. But like I said, never underestimate the positive side of our species. It is up to us to plant the seeds of non violence.
There will always be an downside and upside to human behavior. There will always be division to some degree. But knowing what the west has acheived, and the oppression it got over, the question isn't can that happen in the east, but will it?
I think it cant if we do nothing and accept the status quo.
(September 13, 2012 at 11:59 am)greneknight Wrote:(September 13, 2012 at 11:54 am)Brian37 Wrote: If you are implying that I am delusional it is a false claim. I hold no illusions that things will change over night. But only a fool sits and complains and doesnt even care to try.
I am quite sure the slaves of America thought that slavery would never change. I am quite sure that women at one time thought why try to vote, that will never happen.
That is utter bullshit. I have had Muslim friends and even a former Muslim now atheist, who was from Morroco, who wants to see the same thing I do. I think you underestimate the empathy our species can and does have. Change cannot happen if no one dares to try.
There are no garuntees to life. But I am damned sure going to try and change is possible otherwise the oppresion in our human history that we no longer have in the west, would still exist.
"Nothings going to change" yea, with that attitude you are sure to fail. I'd rather fail trying than do nothing and insure failure.
If Christianity can leave the Dark Ages Islam can escape it's own uncivil barbarity. I'd like to give my fellow human that oportunity. Humans can be civil as much as they can be barbaric. So it is up to us what we promote.
No, I did not say nothing's gonna change. I said appealing to Muslim extremists won't work. I did say I had a secret plan that would work without hurting anyone. I think it's a fool proof plan.
Ok, but that still doesn't change what I said. You cant appeal to right wing Christian nuts either. The key is to challenge the moderates of any religious label to turn to their own and put pressure on the nuts in their bunch to knock it off.
There will always be to some degree people too far gone to listen to reason. But you can appeal to those who are not to minimize the harm done by the extremes of a given society.