(September 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: You are looking at one thing the west is better at (Freedom of speech), but don't look at faults at the other stuff the makes you like barbarians to the world.
Easy to praise one's own people, but condemn others.
Also, in the West, while you can insult everyone, be careful of course never to say anything against the Jews/Zionist, because you can lose your job, or if you question the holocaust in public, in some countries, you can be put in jail.
You know absolutly nothing about my history of posting. I will be the first to criticise Isreal when I think it is fucking up. And if someone wants to deny the Holcost to me that is just as absurd a conspiracy as UFOs or JFK. I agree that it should not be stopped, but most certainly, is a very dangerous conspiracy.
I have seen pleanty Isreal has done that pisses me off. I've seen stories of Palistinian and Isreali overlap that gets squahed by land grabs and walls built by Isreal.
HOWEVER between the two, the burdon is not on Isreal as much as it is on Palestine. I fully condemn rocket attacks and suicide bombers. I condemn the carpet bombing of Isreal as well.
But the only thing holding me back from supporting Palistine fully is what they would set up if given their own states. The freedom they gain would only extend to the majority. I do not see them at this point protecting the rights of minorities or the right to dissent. I would love to be proven wrong, but I just don't see that at this point.
I do not support Isreal like Christians do. They do it for religious reasons. They, like Isreal, want a Jewish state, I dont. To me that would be like claiming America is a Christian state or should be a Christian state. I will never support any Jewish state, but I will support a secular Isreal, much like I support "no religious test" in our Constitution. And I wont support Palistine becoming a Muslim state either.
So to me both have some support, but neither have my full support and I think both sides have tons to work on if either expects peace in our lifetimes.
All anyone of either stripe has to do is to live in America for a long period and they can see that it can be done. We have different sects of Christianity from left to right, and a Muslim and a Jew and an atheist in our Congress.
No one should be arrested for offending someone else. I do not support Isreal when they do that. But that does not mean I should abandon any individual of any side who values peace and non violence. There are pleanty of people on both sides, if it were not for their goverments or the climate, would value such.
So please spare me the victim crap. Both Jews and Muslims claim to be the victim, and as an outsider who has lived with blasphemy and a country that has protected offensive speech I can tell you both your supporters and theirs are NOT impressing me.
The virtue of the oppressed is bullshit. What you do and they do to me is no different than trying to say to an African American here, "Yea slavery was bad, but that was then and this is now, and the only thing I owe blacks is in the here and now.
I would advise you and your "enmey" when the reality is that we are all human, the shelf life of "he started it" gets old and at some point I really wish both sides would grow up and get tired of the violence. Then I think the things you object to and they object to would be in the minority rather than be divided by the majority, which it is now.
So instead of bitching about what they do, what is it you are doing to bridge that gap? When both sides do that, if they ever do, you'd both be better off.
