RE: Apologetics was much more efficient in ancient times
September 14, 2012 at 12:15 am
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2012 at 12:16 am by Drich.)
(September 14, 2012 at 12:02 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Now you're committing the appeal to faith fallacy. "X is true. If you have faith, then you will see that x is true."What I am doing is relaying the promise Given by God and full filled with 2000+ years of faithful followers. Myself being included in that number.
Quote:The holy spirit is a pathetic substitute for the direct interventions of God in the OT. The holy spirit can't be distinguished from a placebo effect.If the placebo is all you have been exposed to then how could you possiably know God?
Quote:You're still committing an ad hoc fallacy anyway. Just because you might give some theological reason doesn't make it any less ad hoc. There's still no evidence to support that reason."That is why you fail." -yoda
If you want real evidence that something exists then one must Ask, Seek, and knock to obtain it. Not limit your exeriences to simply discuss it's philosiphical feesablity.
It's real simple. If you want to know if there is a God then ask Seek and Knock as He instructs and He will full fill His promise to you. that's it. that all anyone needs to find Real proof of God. If you don't and you wish to demand that God do magic tricks for you and strike you down dead on command as proof... Then well maybe one of you will get lucky.
(September 14, 2012 at 12:05 am)greneknight Wrote:(September 13, 2012 at 11:48 pm)Drich Wrote: lol, no. I spelled it out like that so you might have been able to see the reason and the contrast between OT worship/relationship with God and how we have been able to know/worship god after the events of Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit was poured out on all who believed.
Meaning God no longer has to supercharge one person to be a repersentive, but all can potentially have an indewellment of the Holy Spirit. Which in of itself means that you as a believer are your own wittness/phrophet/testament. That is why I keep saying if you want proof of God then ask, seek and knock as outlined in luke 11.
That's not true. I was baptised as an infant, I was raised a Christian and as a Christian, I have the Holy Spirit in me. I used to believe like a literalist when I was really young. Every young child is a literalist. Most of us just grow out of literalism but in the US, 50% never grew out of it. I have never seen any evidence for God, whether as a literalist or as an enlightened non-superstitious CHristian now.
