RE: Apologetics was much more efficient in ancient times
September 14, 2012 at 12:26 am
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2012 at 12:35 am by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(September 14, 2012 at 12:15 am)Drich Wrote:(September 14, 2012 at 12:02 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Now you're committing the appeal to faith fallacy. "X is true. If you have faith, then you will see that x is true."What I am doing is relaying the promise Given by God and full filled with 2000+ years of faithful followers. Myself being included in that number.
God's existence is what is at question here. You're merely begging the question as far as I can tell.
Quote:Quote:The holy spirit is a pathetic substitute for the direct interventions of God in the OT. The holy spirit can't be distinguished from a placebo effect.If the placebo is all you have been exposed to then how could you possiably know God?
Maybe I was exposed to God. I can't seem to tell though. That's the problem.
Quote:Quote:You're still committing an ad hoc fallacy anyway. Just because you might give some theological reason doesn't make it any less ad hoc. There's still no evidence to support that reason."That is why you fail." -yoda
Don't know what that is suppose to mean. I'm a trekkie so maybe that's the problem.
Quote: If you want real evidence that something exists then one must Ask, Seek, and knock to obtain it. Not limit your exeriences to simply discuss it's philosiphical feesablity.
It's real simple. If you want to know if there is a God then ask Seek and Knock as He instructs and He will full fill His promise to you. that's it. that all anyone needs to find Real proof of God. If you don't and you wish to demand that God do magic tricks for you and strike you down dead on command as proof... Then well maybe one of you will get lucky.
I've done all of that crap before several times. But of course, you won't believe that because it didn't work for me. I guess I must have been "insincere" every time I did it.
And apparently, it's wrong now to be convinced by "sings and wonders." In your "knock knock" conversion, if any thing spectacular is excluded from being given to the sincere, then I guess what's left is just vague feelings. Really, what is given by God to the sincere knock knock person?
"knock knock"
"who's there?"
"God"
"God who?"
"God you're ugly."
My ignore list
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
