Are you a Libertarian?

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Padraic the Libertarian party promotes social justice,equality, and personal responsibility. That's why we are against most social programs that help people who are low income. We feel it's their personal responsibility to see to it that they are able to sustain themselves without the help of the government for basic needs.

I'm aware,and disagree.

My perception is; That is NOT social justice. It is a smug and callous value judgment based on the notion of the deserving poor. That in turn is based on [ or at least justified by] Calvinist predestination. Such a view also contains the self serving view that poverty is to a large degree under the control of the poor.It either does not consider or dismisses the reality that wealth has never and does not now exist without its antithesis,poverty.


NEED is the only moral criterium for welfare. Once you begin making other conditions, moral judgments are inevitable.

In most countries (certainly in mine and in the US) rules governing welfare are based on petty bourgeois moral values,such as the work ethic.



I concede my perception may be due in large part to having spent a decade at university studying a couple of social Sciences (sociology and social Anthropology) and spending over 25 years working in the Australian Federal Welfare system ( with the unemployed, homeless youth,single parents,refugees from many countries.single parents,the sick,the insane and criminals)

I am not claiming that "I'm right and you're wrong" in any absolute sens.Only that I will continue to consider Libertarianism a smug, bourgeois, and callous ideology..


I think party loyalties are for many naive, romantic nonsense, and can be changed without too much difficulty.However, sincere ideological views are based on emotion, life experience,education (in the broadest sense) and reason.Very hard to change--and that's assuming one has that agenda,which I do not.

We've both expressed our sincere views. I agree to differ. Of course,comes the revolution,I WILL shoot you in the head without compunction.

Thought for today "The rich have created the poor to scare the fuck out of the middle classes and keep them in line" (Padriac Q Shagnasty)