(September 13, 2012 at 3:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The problem with extremist, is that they are the ones with the all the evidence in Islam.
In Islam, how to act is according to Quran and hadiths, and the latter take precedence over Quran, even though Quran is suppose to be the highest authority. The reason is because hadiths can abrogate Quran.
There is proof in the Sunnah to kill:
Apostates
Anyone whom insults the Messenger.
There is authentic hadiths for both of these.
The extremist are the ones with evidence in hadiths.
However I would say the modernist have support from Quran, the problem of course, is that per classical scholars, hadiths abrogate Quran.
That is why people whom do adultery are to be killed, while Quran says to lash them only.
It's also the case that extremist tend to be the knowledgeable of the Muslims.
It's sad to say, but I think Islam needs to be disproved, before you can get rid of extremism. This is because extremism is founded upon authentic hadiths.
I don't deny those words are there. But there was a time when Christians took their book as litterally. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" The victims of Europe and Salem Mass, could attest to being too litteral, if they were allive today.
"Think not I bring peace, I bring not peace, but a sword"
"Vengance is mine sayith the lord".
Time is why Christians are civil, combined with wise men who insisted that, while you cant stop people from saying stupid shit, you can get them to agree to being non violent and agree to common law.
The Middle East will not rid itself of Muslims anymore than the west will be rid of Christianity. But both have the underpinnings of gangs and Mafia. And only common law in the west has put a leash on Christianity. But there was a time when it was as barbaric as Islam. And even during our history it has been unkind to brutal levels to blacks and women and Native Americans and gays.
The Abrahamic god of all three demands the loyalty of his minions and outsiders at best, when watered down by the west, are seen as pets. But the common belief when all these cults were started was no mercy to the outsider.
Even in the New testement, we hear claims of kindness to the meek and the criminal, but you can also find quotes where you abandon your own family, and quotes where the only way to get to heaven is to believe in Jesus.
As long as god claims are terms of absolutes, and as long as people fight for them, blood will be more bountiful than the water of all the oceans. The bane of superstition is the shackle of humanity.
