RE: When Faith and Science Clash
September 20, 2012 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2012 at 11:54 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 20, 2012 at 10:54 am)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Why? I can (when I get home) provide information that seems pretty clear to indicate intelligent design on the part of our universe. The fine tuning of the initial conditions of our universe to support life is simply incredible.Looking forward to seeing that, it would (by the way) be more incredible if the universe was not hospitable to us (specifically) and yet we existed nevertheless. For example, suppose carbon was unstable, incapable of forming complex bonds with any sort of regularity, and/or other elements or forces regularly annihilated it under any and all circumstances. Then.....we'd have something incredible to explain.
Quote:The ones I've encountered are extremely commited to evolution. I've often seen/heard it referred to as "the fact of evolution."Because the evidence available is extremely committed to evolution. Evolution, just so we're clear -is- a fact, the theory is how we attempt to explain that fact. There is the observation (the fact), and then there is the theory. Evolution, and Evolution by -insert theory here-. Even ID would rely on the fact of evolution (and most likely it's attendant theories). You might (for example) be arguing against abiogensis (not evolution)- though you would propose it nevertheless by invoking creation by a deity who is not a living, biological entity. If it did not rely on both the fact and theories of evolution, you would be arguing fundamental creationism (and ID in the context of fundamental creationism is superflous). All of this, by the way, without having any of what you laid claim to above (unless we're all in the company of a fucking genius who's about to rewrite the books with their next post).
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