RE: Maybe I never was a Christian?
September 21, 2012 at 8:14 am
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2012 at 8:15 am by Creed of Heresy.)
(September 20, 2012 at 7:09 am)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: ((1))You are 100% correct. The Bible actually teaches that no one is perfect and no one can ever be. Only Jesus lived a perfect life.
((2))The only way to get to heaven is by good works. The question is do you want it to be your works that are judged by, or do you want it to be Jesus works that you are judged by?
((3))Christians believe that by placing their trust/faith in Jesus, God looks at Jesus sinless life and counts it as their own. The cross is also called the "great exchange" where Christ took the believers sin and paid the penalty for it, and believers, through faith, can have the righteous life of Christ in God's eyes.
1: He lived a perfect life, huh? Is that why we only know of about 10% of his life? Is that why there's a ~30 year gap in his life? I get the impression it's because the fiction-writers...er, sorry, the gospel-writers lacked the confidence in their own abilities to write something that could be considered objectively perfect...or maybe the Council of Nicea was not satisfied with their depictions of Christ's "perfect life" and cast them out after realizing that nobody would ever find it to be perfect. You make the claim; where's the proof? Don't claim to be correcting people when you don't even really give a valid explanation of why it's being corrected. A claim is not a correction; it's a differing of opinion, little more.
2: Basically if you "accept Jesus" then you get judged by his works, not your own. And since you can live no perfect life and god apparently only accepts those who lead perfect lives, you can only get into heaven via Jesus, ergo you can be the scummiest human being on earth as long as you accept Jesus, whereas the nicest, kindest, most selfless human being on the planet can be shoved off to burn for eternity because he didn't let his life get judged as Jesus' life, because, heh, only Jesus was perfect, right? Good sales pitch, but I'm afraid I have no use for snake-oil, sir.
3: Yes, he paid the penalty. The ultimate penalty. The penalty of death. Truly a noble sacrifice, anyone dying in the stead of someone else is definitely a death that must be taken in nobility and honor...except it kind of loses its meaning when the person didn't actually die, he just kind of lost consciousness for a few days, because as I recall you lot believe the dude was up and about three days later talking to people, apparently no worse for wear, which completely takes the whole "ultimate exchange" idea and blasts it right the fuck out of the water. He didn't die for my sins, he suffered some torture for about a week for my sins. Not quite as noble, especially when he went on to basically become the ultimate exemplar of humanity that we should all impossibly strive to be while never having a born hope ever being able to do so. Basically Jesus SUFFERED for a week for me, but his mortal life apparently was never surrendered, and hell, his mortal body went with him into the sky-heaven that we have since traversed with planes and rockets and such for the last century without ever seeing. Seriously, where IS that heaven, exactly? What about that firmament that god apparently opens to let rain and snow in? Did the Apollo missions just break through the glass and we've been flying through the break in the glass ever since? XD
Silliness. All of it.