(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote:(September 25, 2012 at 2:06 am)Ciel_Rouge Wrote: We also usually imply that because of their age they are necessarily somewhat stupid and lack any complex feelings.
Well they are somewhat stupid, but the issue you're ignoring is whether they are equipped to understand the implications of their actions.
Putting my cards on the table, I'm having trouble taking your post seriously because I fear that where you're headed is trying to justify child-adult sexual relations.
Now THAT was a giant leap in jumping to conclusions! I am against child abuse in any form, regardless whether sexual in nature or psychological abuse - which you kindly disguise as "strong parental rights" and I shall discuss later.
Is it really OK for you to treat a person not like a person but like a commodity just because you are their parent?
(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote:(September 25, 2012 at 2:06 am)Ciel_Rouge Wrote: We seem to forget that the little girl or boy is going to be an adult.
The little boy or girl is also going to die someday. Should we just bury them now? Answer: no. Reason: because age DOES make a difference.
Your rhetoric is again brilliant and very amusing but has nothing to do with what I wrote. We sort of forget that children are going to be adults and the decisions we make for them now are going to affect their ADULT lives later on. Let me give you an example:
In the US a father decided to have his baby boy circumcised "to be like his father". Is it OK or not?
(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote: I'm an atheist so I obviously have objections to religion, and I'm a fan of Dawkins, who also makes this argument, but for me the issue is trumped by my advocacy for strong parental rights.
Does this mean your children have to be atheist because you are?
(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote: This is silly. Anyone who has raised a kid knows that they thrive on rules, to create structure and a sense of comforting predictability.
Well, from my observations of different parents and different children, the RULES they are supposed to be "thriving" on are simply constantly broken and the children are simply constantly punished. To my mind it would be much more efficient and respectable to simply explain WHY they should or should not do something.
(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote: Bedtime is driven by what time they need to get up for school and how many hours of sleep they need. We don't need each kid to independently experience the health detriments of inadequate sleep.
Bedtime is driven by a person's willingness to go to sleep. If it is not, you are either in jail or in the military. I am not talking about staying up all night. I am talking about parents sending their children to bed MUCH too early "just because". Because they want to have power over them. And since a child is not willing or ready to sleep yet, they DO develop sleeping problems later on.
(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote: Likewise, "forcing" a kid to eat foods they might not now like is part of family life, eating the food that has been purchased and prepared and enjoyed by other members of the family. It's also about developing the child's palate, so that they can learn to enjoy a wide variety of foods.
Please take a look at this:
Forceful feeding in Mauritania
This is just a step away from what you are doing. FORCEFUL FEEDING is FORCEFUL FEEDING. It can be done to prisoners etc. Why do this to your child? Food is a very personal choice.
On a side note, the chefs in Poland who appear on tv often admit they teach their children how to cook so that they can be independent and follow their own taste. I heard of 8 year olds preparing simple meals for themselves. What do you think about that?
As for "developing the palate", to my mind it is exposure to a variety of foods, not repeatedly exposing children to something they hate.
(September 25, 2012 at 3:29 am)Tino Wrote: Bedtime and eating your vegetables are human rights violations? Again, I'm left wondering whether your real point is that it should be OK for adults to have sex with children?
NO. My real point is that we should reconsider why it is easily accepted when PARENTS treat their children like a COMMODITY rather than a PERSON and even apply some methods normally used on adults in jails, military etc. And why you constantly make your "giant leaps" from eating veggies to having sex is beyond me
So once again: this thread is about PARENT and CHILD relations, NOT about sexual offenders.
