(September 25, 2012 at 6:08 pm)Darkstar Wrote: So what you're saying is that god claimed we had free will, but not only do we not, but god sometimes influences our decisions subconciously? Then how can anyone go to heaven or hell?God doesn't say that we have free will and there are many cases in the Bible where God does influence's man's decisions. For example Pharaoh in Egpyt, we are told maybe four or five times that God is the one who hardened his heart and it is mentioned again Rom 9 as God doing it.
Rom 9:15-18
15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
If justice is carried out all humans would go to hell because all are guilty of sin, however, God has mercy on some, those whom His Son atoned for on the cross....it is those that will come to believe in Him.
(once again, I'm not trying to state this as fact or be preachy - just explains my beliefs)
