(September 25, 2012 at 10:16 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: No offense taken. In fact, that's likely where a lot of our Protestant-based religious nuttery that we're currently fighting in this country comes from. Them and the Puritans.
The Catholics in America are generally the liberal ones.
and there i find it strange, that here in europe the most religious, conservative, uneducated, unprogressive and poorest countries are those with a catholic population and catholic history such as spain, italy, portugal, poland and austria - the less influence rome has the better off that country is - one can see especialy in the cases of austria and poland how the decline of catholic influence has lead to those nations success - france on the other hand might be by mayority catholic but had it`s revolutions and napoleon aswell as the "code civil" wich was basicaly the first secular constitution in europe wich underlined that it was secular - in italy the south is poorer than the north and strangly enought more religious - and since most of northern italy was eighter a austrian or french colonie the influence of those secular nations can be clearly seen,
but those wich are more liberal, progressive, financialy successfull and more advanced in education and science are those nations wich use to be protestant such as germany, sweden, denmark, norway, united kingdom, and most strange of all the netherlands - the netherlands are strange - because they use to be a realy radical fundermentalist calvinist state - and now they have legal prostetution, pot and are in the top ten of the most atheist population.
so if in the usa being catholic stands for being liberal and being protestant stands for being conservative. well here in europe it`s the opposite.
Quote:You know, common sense should tell you as much, even if you know nothing of the culture. I studied German for four years under a native Prussian (she fled East Germany before the wall in Berlin came up), so I know a little about that. We read a German history text of the time "Die Zwolf Dunkle Jahre Deuteche Geschicte" (The Twelve Dark Years of German History). From what I gather, Germany has done well to honestly face that time. Better than we Americans have with our genocide of our Native Americans or history of slavery. All nations have their dark history that they need to be faced so, as they say, "never again".
well most f those germans who had to flee from germany during 1933-1945 and from east germany from 1949-1989 went to america.
unfortunatly i believe the ancestors of the speciment called Michele Bachmann is one of those examples.
how much our nation has learned from it`s history can be debated.
fact is we have writen our constitution in a way wich forbids any party to campain or claim power with a idiology wich wants to overthrough democracy and /or wich claims to have the absolute undenieable trought without evidence. - thereby forbidding left aswell as rightwing extremism aswell as religious political parties
Quote:Among many fundamentalist Christians who are Creationists, "Darwin" is often confused with "Social Darwinism". Many of them also think Hitler was an atheist, if you can believe that. You met one of these guys so you're probably aware.
well as a german who knows his history i can defenatly say that hitler was roman catholic and did actualy reject evolution. he actualy believed in racial differences created by god.
himmler believed atlantis was in the baltic sea and was created by god for a perfect arian race - but when they mixed races the city was sunk by god. he believed god created several races and god`s favorite race had to fight the others.
most historians agree that fashism originated within catholic europe.
and strangly enought even the catholic church in germany agrees and apologises, but outside of germany they tell a different story - as if we would never leave our country and didnt speak other languages
