(September 28, 2012 at 11:45 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(September 26, 2012 at 9:04 pm)Tino Wrote: To take a stab at your question I'd need to know what it is that is actually controlling our will in the scenario that free will is an illusion.
Well, it was a rhetorical question, but if you want to run with it, I'm game. I treat the question as philosophical in nature and don't think it can be adequately answered at this time (which is why I take an agnostic position on the free will vs. determinism question).
From a naturalistic point of view (*), one could suppose that the illusion of free will could be based in biological or psychological determinism.
I don't have a strong opinion on this one way or other other - but I do find it interesting and sometimes illuminating to explore how a thing is distinguishable from the illusion of said thing.
(*) I operate under the assumption that you subscribe to naturalism (as do I), and write from that POV. If that isn't your POV, then I'd be happy to present a hypothetical from another POV.
I guess I subscribe to naturalism, if that means that I reject all supernatural claims.
Yes we could all be brains in a vat, or I could be the only sentient being in the universe and this whole forum could just be a dream I'm having. I don't see the point in considering these alternatives and their ilk.
I didn't see anything in the determinism wikis that was specific enough for me to determine what a deterministic world would look like - ie how the people in it would behave.
As for your rhetorical question, I think it gets to the heart of the matter, and I wish the no-free-willers would describe how a free-will world would look different than the world we have today.

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