God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)

[Drich]

That's always your goto answer isn't it? I've read it from you at least a dozen times. "We just can't understand" is a copout even for an apologist. It's pathetic. It does not offer an answer for anything. It's a semi-polite way of saying, "I don't have a fucking clue how to side-step that one."

Then please explain the complete nature of Christ's sacerfice.

You're not badgering and mocking?

Not all of the time no.

You know damn well that there is no reason for you to be here other than to stir up hostility.

Honestly stirring up hostility had never entered my mind. any Hostility stirred up is just a bonus Just kidding, seriously I have no intentions of chasing you down and beating you with faith or lack of. That is why i only post in this subforum, and leave you all with the rest of your website to discuss whatever you like. Plus if you will note from the beginning if one drops a subject or canot or does not want to argue any more I do not chase themdown and force anyone to accept my win. If i was here to badger and mock/create hostility it would be done in those instances.

You have no questions.

God answered Most all of my questions, now i seek yours so I can continue to learn.

You believe you have all the answers.

What are you talking about? I ask questions in every post.

Your mind is completely closed to anything outside of your cult

Admittly so. why? Because there is nothing anyone can offer that will trump what God has given me.

and just being here is badgering.

to whom? You? What of everyone else who has legitmate questions?

Admit it, you're here because you like the drama.

honestly I skim read most of the 'dramatic' posts so i do not have to read all of the personal feelings you all tie to your works. I look for the questions and bad theology and then look to correct your understandings so you can make an informed desision and not one from a position of uninformed obstinance or from honest ignorance.

You like the blasphemy and the mocking.

I do have to admit that i have a weakness for throwing your own mocking blaspheme or hyprocrisy back at you, from time to time, but do not do it to break anyones spirit. I do it as part of the checks and balances one has to be apart of this type of community. i have been posting these involved line by line posts for 5+ years. If one does not push back from time to time, one gets completely dismissed/accused of posting disconnected non topical garbage.

You like the attention of it all.

Attention from whom? you? that and 5 dollars buys you a coffie from starbucks.

You like being a thorn in our side.

In part yes. The reason i am a thorn is because you can not dismiss me in good conscience, nor can you adequatly refute everything i say. causeing you to question not only what I believe but what you believe about what I believe as well. which if nothing else is a start.

On a christian forum, you're bored and you're just another sheep in the pen that no one cares about, but here you're somebody. Don't try to bull shit me by playing the martyr.

Actually over there I am a rock star
who can do or say whatever i want. i have been asked to be apart of the adminstrative team. The problem with CF is that they will not allow anyone to question God to the level that He can be questioned here. I maybe able to say what I want but the atheist who ask questions god/christianity can not. The final straw was with someone like Darkstar who had strong questions, but i believed them to be sincere. the problem was that He was asking questions that made members take a hard look at their own faiths. i made some very decisive and accurate judgements against certain denominations. Instead of repermanding me they dismissed the atheist, and deleted all of the threads he was apart of. I am here to answer questions like that, in a format that encourages hard questions to be asked. I am still a member there but spend most of my time here trying to help you people. because you ask question that i would not have thought to ask for myself. Helping you helps me to know God better.. (When you guys aren't cut and pasting from websites.)

Thats not even biblical, and I know of literally thousands of christians who would gladly call you a heretic for such a statement. Your god supposedly created everything and yes, that does include hell.

You wanted me to ask you a question then So show me what you can do. What day did God create Hell? Why didn't He tell the Jews about the place He created? Why was 'Hell' described to the Jews as 'The grave' or the "Abyss?" why wasn't your understanding of Hell communicated to the jews if they too were endanged of it?

Telling me that I'm CHOOSING hell when the bible CLEARLY says that I will be CAST into hell is just your lame apologist way of getting around the truth of the vindictive narcissistic nature of your god.

If you do not choose redemption, then by default you have chosen Hell. The Choice you are given is for life. Do you choose to live eternally? No? Then it is accurate to say you chose death/eternal seperation.

To be honest, this isn't even a stretching of the truth. You are just telling an outright lie. I do not choose to go to hell and even your silly bible agrees with me. I'm getting real fucking tired of you trying to candy-coat "the weeping and gnashing of teeth" and the "eternal torment" of your god's twisted creation. You are a liar.

If you do not choose eternal life, what is God to do with you? Drag you kicking and screaming into Heaven to be a slave? If you do not choose to be an eternal slave of God then you choose to be eternally seperated from God.

No, he didn't and still doesn't.

Ya-huh, god does love me! ;P

When you burn billions of people for an eternity for not subliminally accepting you by way of accepting the son you sacrificed to a bunch of stupid primitives - you clearly love yourself first and foremost.

i can honestly tell you there is no one going to be in Hell who wanted to love and be with God with all of their Hearts, Mind, Spirit and Strength. That said Hell will be full of those who love themselves over God. If I am one of these people then you can tell me I told you so for all eternity.

He has done nothing for you. You see and feel what you want to - just like these devout long time christians.

I honestly and objectivly see what God has placed infront of me.

I cannot refuse love that does not exist from a being that has evolved from the minds of men for 3000+ years.
It is not real Drich. I use to be one of you. Open your eyes.

(This is "One of those times")
I can not refuse love that is over flowing in front of me, From a being that has loved the minds and hearts of men for 3000++Years.
It is Real Cynjin. I use to be one of you. Open your eyes!

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Your quote in exo 22 hinges on the word "Give" to mean Human sacerfice. The word in the Hebrew is: נתן/nathan. It means to dedicate or promise to. http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...5414&t=KJV
Actually it can mean a varity of things, however none of which have anything t do with Human sacerfice.

So here we see Drippy trying to wiggle out of a little problem for his fucking god by pretending that he is such a consummate scholar that he ( and he alone) knows what this fucking bullshit means.

However, people who translate this shit for a living say:

<< Exodus 22:29 >>

New International Version (©1984)
"Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats. "You must give me the firstborn of your sons.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not hold anything back when you give me offerings from your crops and your wine. "You must give me your firstborn sons.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You shall not delay the offering from your harvest and your vintage. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to Me.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Never withhold your best wine from me. "You must give me your firstborn son.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
You shall not delay to offer the first of your ripe fruits, and of the outflow of your presses: the firstborn of your sons shall you give unto me.

American King James Version
You shall not delay to offer the first of your ripe fruits, and of your liquors: the firstborn of your sons shall you give to me.

American Standard Version
Thou shalt not delay to offer of thy harvest, and of the outflow of thy presses. The first-born of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou shalt not delay to pay thy tithes and thy firstfruits: thou shalt give the firstborn of thy sons to me.

Darby Bible Translation
Thou shalt not delay the fulness of thy threshing-floor and the outflow of thy winepress. The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

English Revised Version
Thou shalt not delay to offer of the abundance of thy fruits, and of thy liquors. The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Webster's Bible Translation
Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the first-born of thy sons shalt thou give to me.

World English Bible
"You shall not delay to offer from your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. "You shall give the firstborn of your sons to me.

Young's Literal Translation
'Thy fulness and thy liquids thou dost not delay; the first-born of thy sons thou dost give to Me;

Why do you suppose it is, Drippy, that all these translations don't agree with you?

Could it be that you are full of shit?

Show me where 'Give' Means To Give up for the express purpose of Human sacerfice. My defination or rather the reason i gave the defination you posted of the word that translates (correctly) into the word 'Give' is to show what Give means. It means to dedicate bestow to GIVE. Not To Kill! "Give" here simply means to offer, not to make a blood sacerfice. (Which btw is exactly what is said in the post you quoted from)

Try again Minnie.