Why Does Atheism and Left-Wing Politics Usually Go Together?

[The Grand Nudger]

-"Deserving" is a personal value judgement that you've made which..in this case, involves someones life. I'm not comfortable deciding who gets to eat and who doesn't based on what I think they "deserve". This is the fundamental difference of opinion that we have on the matter. I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I have no idea what they deserve, specifically with regards to your tax money. I'm just telling you that I'm uncomfortable with that sort of decision.

-"Nothing" is relative, and we are talking "how much," arent we (you'll have to allow me a little hyperbole)? The "working poor" is widespread, and is again..the majority of the society I live in. Their labor and their skill are modified by what the market can bear.

"In corporatism maybe, but under capitalism if you work, you get paid. It is part of a contract that is legally binding. Anyone who works their ass and gets literally nothing either did not read their contract properly (and should quit their job), or was scammed by the company they work for (at which point they are entitled to compensation)."- or....the job they currently toil away at, though essential, and very much full of hard work....cannot command a higher rate due to the myriad influences of the market which go into establishing said rate in the first place. I'll keep mentioning it until you acknowledge it. Sanitiation workers can't just -quit their jobs-, neither can farmers (and you wouldn't want them to either..they're subsidizing your lifestyle, that's that unspoken tax on their labor that benefits you, do you "deserve" that?).

-Almost anyone could do almost anything..unless you think that some unique confluence of Tiberiusness makes you more competent at what you do (and of course at least competent enough at what they do). "Low skill" jobs like framing a house (minimum wage or less where I'm from). Can you frame a house Tibs...would you confidently live under a roof you threw up? Operating a gantry crane or driving a semi (low skill low wage in all cases.....where I'm from). Lets suppose all the computer programmers of the world miraculously disappeared tommorrow. Horrific, right? Now, lets suppose all the farmers of the world disappeared tomorrow..... This is, again, a fundamental difference of opinion between you and I. I cannot value my labor (or your labor) over the labor of others....specifically in certain industries which are chronically underpaid (going by the poverty rate in this country, anyway). Sometimes the essentials are a zero sum game, I don't think this should be the case, but if it's going to be the case..may as well socialize it (just so you know where I'm coming from on that count).

-I don't think that private enterprise has any better track record in that regard. How did we go from organizing society to -maximizing profits- btw? I'm not sure they're the same thing Tibs. If they are, then why have some of the most horrible examples of industry malfeasance been nothing more than the outward expression of the internal drive to "maximize profits"? From where I stand, maximizing profits isn't anything to pin your trust on anybody from. One man lemonade stand, multinational, or the state. Couldn't I make a "maximising profits" argument for a complete and utter safety net for food btw? Wouldn't there be a whole hell of alot of discretionary income floating around for people to spend at those "hardworking business owners" stalls at that point....