what is god actually

[theblindferrengi]

In late response to Adrian (I haven’t had much free time lately)

That didn't add any context at all. The observation that other galaxies exist and the evidence for the expansion of the universe has nothing to do with the idea that time did not exist before the Big Bang.

Yeah, I kind of messed that up, your wikiquote started: "In 1931 Lemaître went further” I was trying to say what he went further of; that he independently derived Friedman’s equations, and used them to predict the expansion of the universe.

As previously stated, string "theory" is only a hypothesis, as is M-theory.

All the science in this argument is theoretical, not hypothesis, not scientific law.

It has no evidence whatsoever other than mathematical models, but mathematical models do not make it science. Science grounds itself on the testable and observable, and the current theories surrounding the Big Bang are based on this, and confirm the idea that time and space came into existence at the Big Bang.

Yes, the math is the reason it is science.

Math is not the only form of science, as observation is also a scientific method, however, observation cannot possibly go back before the big bang. This does not mean there was nothing before it, and according to both string theory and quantum loop gravity theory (two mutually exclusive scientific theory’s that both combine quantum mechanics and relativity) the big bang changed the nature of space time, as in possibly destroyed whatever was there before and created a new fabric of space-time; it is also possible nothing existed before it. These matters are highly theoretical no matter what theory you believe to be correct, and could be (and are) debated for hundreds of hours.

The assumption that there was something there before it is only that, and assumption. I agree, it doesn't mean there was nothing there before it, but for you to say that your claim that there was something trumps my claim is a complete contradiction of your point, that "we cannot know". Passing off someone's research and education in the theory as a "novelty" doesn't earn you any points either. If you have evidence to present that there is a logical or materialistic reason to believe there was something before the Big Bang, present it.

My point is we cannot know, my opinion is that it is more logical for the big bang to have rearranged what was, than created space-time from nothing.

For someone who claims not to believe in what they wrote at the start of the thread, you strive very hard to defend it. Methinks someone just got cold feet when their delusional writings were exposed for what they really were.

The original idea was one I came up with not two minutes before I posted it as an interesting philosophical idea, yet you seem to be saying I believe in the original idea of this thread, I can see how you may have thought that but it is still no more true than if I stated you were a catholic.