(October 11, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Aroura Wrote:(October 11, 2012 at 11:36 pm)whateverist Wrote: Interesting that you permit notions as vague as whatever 'human nature' might be but balk at 'common sense' or 'free will'. Oh wait. You don't really have a choice, do you? You think what you must, what the momentum of the universe compels you to think. Not much point in chatting about it then, is there? You confess you aren't in charge of your own thinking and you must believe I am no more capable of influencing what I must belief. Is all discussion therefore moot?Of course not. What we do now affect the future. Things still happen, whether we will them to or not. We must still function, even if we know we are part of the machine. There are many determinists in the world, none of them just sit down and give up.
Anyway, I'm not dead set on it, it is just what science currently indicates to be true.
Repeating myself now:
I just wanted to say that I don't find determinism or free-will to be all that important to me. I don't really want to get into an argument about it. I was just sharing thoughts, not looking to argue about it. I have no intention of trying to change anyones mind, just sharing my own.
No problem. Me too. I think there are some parts of the debate that are just incoherent, on both sides. I don't think we really understand "will", free or not.
