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Intelligent design: could we do better?
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
"Nothing can be imagined more useless to the animal than rudiments of hind legs entirely buried beneath the skin of a whale, so that one is inclined to suspect that these structures must admit of some other interpretation. Yet, approaching the inquiry with the most skeptical determination, one cannot help being convinced, as the dissection goes on, that these rudiments [in the Right Whale] really are femur and tibia. The synovial capsule representing the knee-joint was too evident to be overlooked. An acetabular cartilage, synovial cavity, and head of femur, together represent the hip-joint. Attached to this femur is an apparatus of constant and strong ligaments, permitting and restraining movements in certain directions; and muscles are present, some passing to the femur from distant parts, some proceeding immediately from the pelvic bone to the femur, by which movements of the thigh-bone are performed; and these ligaments and muscles present abundant instances of exact and interesting adaptation. But the movements of the femur are extremely limited, and in two of these whales the hip-joint as firmly anchylosed, in one of them on one side, in the other on both sides, without trace of disease, showing that these movements may be dispensed with. The function point of view fails to account for the presence of a femur in addition to processes from the pelvic bone. Altogether, these hind legs in this whale present for contemplation a most interesting instance of those significant parts in an animal -- rudimentary structures." [Struthers, p. 142-143]



This prediction is not falsified by finding a complex or essential function for the presumed vestigial structure. Should data of this sort be found, the structure merely becomes an example of parahomology (considered in prediction 3.1) or, more likely, an example of inefficient design (considered in prediction 3.5). Observations that would be truly inconsistent with the concept of vestigiality are given above. More detailed and specific explanations of how to demonstrate that the human appendix is not vestigial are given in the Vestigiality of the human vermiform appendix FAQ.

Many anti-evolutionist authors have erroneously concluded that vestigial structures do not exist. They reason that either (1) vestigial organs are actually functional or (2) it is theoretically impossible to demonstrate that a structure has no function (for example, see Ham et al. 1990; Batten and Sarfati 2003; Bergman and Howe 1990; Morris 1986). This latter argument is based upon the false premise that negative results are used to demonstrate a lack of function, and that negative evidence is unscientific. These arguments are faulty for three reasons, each discussed below.
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Intelligent design: could we do better? - by TaraJo - October 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Kayenneh - October 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 9, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Polaris - October 13, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Kayenneh - October 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Kayenneh - October 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Godschild - October 10, 2012 at 2:07 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by TaraJo - October 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by popeyespappy - October 10, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by TaraJo - October 10, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Haydn - October 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Haydn - October 10, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Justtristo - October 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Brian37 - October 10, 2012 at 7:02 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Godschild - October 10, 2012 at 3:00 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Brian37 - October 10, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Godschild - October 11, 2012 at 12:56 am
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Whateverist - October 10, 2012 at 7:44 am
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Napoléon - October 10, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Ryantology - October 11, 2012 at 5:23 am
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Brian37 - October 10, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Angrboda - October 10, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Brian37 - October 10, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Darkstar - October 10, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by jonb - October 10, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by IATIA - October 11, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Angrboda - October 11, 2012 at 1:08 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Darth - October 11, 2012 at 6:17 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by pocaracas - October 11, 2012 at 7:52 am
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Darkstar - October 12, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Darkstar - October 12, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Ryantology - October 13, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by IATIA - October 13, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by jonb - October 11, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Angrboda - October 12, 2012 at 6:36 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Whateverist - October 13, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Darkstar - October 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Whateverist - October 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Godschild - October 15, 2012 at 1:31 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Nine - October 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by chi pan - October 14, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Darwinian - October 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by IATIA - October 14, 2012 at 11:51 am
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by chi pan - October 14, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by Angrboda - October 14, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better? - by IATIA - October 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm

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