(October 18, 2012 at 12:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: Human value is far from nonexistant. Yes, there is no objective meaning.
Where would value come from? To think that you're life is more valuable than an ant would just to be guilty of speciesism. If there is no objective being to give your life value, then it has no objective value. Any value that you would perceive your life to have would be just an self-deception.
Moreover, the OP quoted Dawkins saying that there exists no good, no evil.
AND ALL OF YOU AGREE WITH THIS?!?!?!?!?!
(the following is from wikipedia on the topic of Nazi Experiments)
Bone, muscle, and nerve transplantation experiments
From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrück concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects without use of anesthesia. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability.
Head injury experiments
In mid-1942 in Baranowicze, occupied Poland, experiments were conducted in a small building behind the private home occupied by Nazi SD Security Service officer, in which "a young boy of eleven or twelve [was] strapped to a chair so he could not move. Above him was a mechanized hammer that every few seconds came down upon his head." The boy was driven insane from the torture.
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I also read where pregnant women were used for vivisections.
On atheism, you have no grounds to say that this is wrong. Life simply is....you can do what you wish with it. There's nothing wrong with using other humans for science experiments against their will and at the cost of their lives.
If there is no God, life came from nothing and ends in nothing. Not only do our individual lives end in death, the universe itself will end in a heat death and will go back to being what it was in the beginning...nothing.
Nothing before the Big Bang, nothing afterwards....we're just this drivel in between nothings. Meaningless, purposeless, valueless.
If there is no God what value could your life possible have? Perhaps you could benefit the human race? To what end? All ends in nothingness, it would be a fruitless, pointless endeavor anyway. All acts of humanity are ultimately of no consequence.
A life lived for pure selfish gain would be equal to a life lived selflessly giving to the human race. Both would end in death.
Sacrifice is foolish and selfishness is the only logical perspective to approach life with.
If there is no God, all things are permissible....our world essentially is Auschwitz.
(October 18, 2012 at 12:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: Yes, once your physical body goes, it's over. But imagine if heaven and hell existed. Then human value would be zero. When you have an unlimited supply of something, it becomes less valuable. With an infinite supply of life, and an infinite number of people to eventually all exist at once, it would make any individual person that much more insignificant.
If God exists, then you have value because he ascribes value to you. If God exists then you would have objective value because the objective being gave it to you.
Your argument seems to be addressing extrinsic value, like sand...if there's a ton it's not really valuable.
However, if God exists we have intrinsic value because we are made in His image and those who Jesus died for would have extrinsic value as well because their life would have been purchased by the blood of Jesus, who is Himself God.
(October 18, 2012 at 12:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: If heaven were real, and this life was just a passageway to it, who would care what happened?God would...and those that wanted to spend eternity with Him would.
(October 18, 2012 at 12:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: So long as you die (preferably very young, if you are impatient) having accepted Jesus, you are good to go!Preach it!
(October 18, 2012 at 12:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: It's sickening that some people actually think like that when there really is only one shot...(I added emphasis)
One shot for what? If atheism is true whatever you do with this life is purposeless. One shot for success? To make a difference?
If atheism is true, there is no difference to be made and success is no more meaningful than a life spent sitting on the couch. To think otherwise would be to simply deceive yourself with a noble lie.
