(October 19, 2012 at 6:55 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Where would value come from? To think that you're life is more valuable than an ant would just to be guilty of speciesism.
Why would I think my life is more important than an ant?
Quote:If there is no objective being to give your life value, then it has no objective value. Any value that you would perceive your life to have would be just an self-deception.
Correct. We can give ourselves our own meaning, but is there any grand meaning? Nope, not as far as I can tell.
It absolutely doesn't bother me if life is meaningless or an accident, I can't understand why some people are so mortified by that thought.
Quote:Moreover, the OP quoted Dawkins saying that there exists no good, no evil.
AND ALL OF YOU AGREE WITH THIS?!?!?!?!?!
(the following is from wikipedia on the topic of Nazi Experiments)
Bone, muscle, and nerve transplantation experiments
From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrück concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects without use of anesthesia. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability.
Head injury experiments
In mid-1942 in Baranowicze, occupied Poland, experiments were conducted in a small building behind the private home occupied by Nazi SD Security Service officer, in which "a young boy of eleven or twelve [was] strapped to a chair so he could not move. Above him was a mechanized hammer that every few seconds came down upon his head." The boy was driven insane from the torture.
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I also read where pregnant women were used for vivisections.
On atheism, you have no grounds to say that this is wrong. Life simply is....you can do what you wish with it.
We as a species get to decide what we think is wrong or right, what is appalling and what isn't.
Quote:There's nothing wrong with using other humans for science experiments against their will and at the cost of their lives.
The majority say it is wrong. Would I like it to happen to me? No. So I wouldn't like to see someone do it to somebody else.
Quote:If there is no God, life came from nothing and ends in nothing. Not only do our individual lives end in death, the universe itself will end in a heat death and will go back to being what it was in the beginning...nothing.
Nothing before the Big Bang, nothing afterwards....we're just this drivel in between nothings. Meaningless, purposeless, valueless.
Yep. I have no problem accepting this possibility. It is what it is.
Quote:If there is no God what value could your life possible have? Perhaps you could benefit the human race? To what end? All ends in nothingness, it would be a fruitless, pointless endeavor anyway. All acts of humanity are ultimately of no consequence.
Why should my life have any meaning?
Quote:A life lived for pure selfish gain would be equal to a life lived selflessly giving to the human race. Both would end in death.
And that's the funny bit, when I look at you christards wasting your time praying and preaching, in the end we're both going to be as dead and clueless as each other.
Quote:Sacrifice is foolish and selfishness is the only logical perspective to approach life with.
Life IS about survival of the fittest, which essentially includes selfishness. However there advantages to sharing and sacrifices.
Quote:If there is no God, all things are permissible....our world essentially is Auschwitz.
Not all things are permissible. Because WE decide what is fair and just for members of our species.
If there IS god, why do WE bother punishing criminals? After all god will punish them, so why bother?
Quote:If God exists, then you have value because he ascribes value to you. If God exists then you would have objective value because the objective being gave it to you.
Your argument seems to be addressing extrinsic value, like sand...if there's a ton it's not really valuable.
However, if God exists we have intrinsic value because we are made in His image and those who Jesus died for would have extrinsic value as well because their life would have been purchased by the blood of Jesus, who is Himself God.
I've sort of lost interest now.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
