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For good people to do bad things...
RE: For good people to do bad things...
(September 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: My point was simply that some Christians do cherry-pick. If you are to say that the horrors the abortion clinic bombers do isn't Christian, then that's only by your definition of Christianity. By their definition they [the appalling acts] obviously are Christian. That's why I suspected the NTS. ... Why is your definition true and theirs not?

1. It is not my definition (as though I have my own unique definition) but rather the definition, established from etymology and authoritative sources by consensus of historical usage set down long before you or I existed—i.e., it's not as though nobody knew what the word meant until I arrived with 'my' definition. If the word "Christian" has any reference to the person and teaching of Jesus Christ (Gk. Christianos; suffix -ianos means "slave of" or "belonging to"; q.v. Acts 11:26), then how the term is defined or what it means begins with the person and teaching of Jesus Christ—not whimsically by just any person. The point is further sharpened by the fact that the definition of the word is never predicated on anything I have said or written. Although you continually attempt to call it my definition, the facts count against you.

2. If you hold that the violent destruction of abortion providers can be substantiated by cherry-picked verses from Christian scriptures, please provide one or more examples of such. Otherwise your assertion is devoid of any reality. I believe it was Christopher Hitchens who advanced the maxim, "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."

3. If you hold that a body of beliefs can be defined by anyone and that all such definitions are equally legitimate, then how would you respond to a person who claims that torturing humans for fun is consistent with Secular Humanism? There is not a damn thing you can say because, by your logic, that person is correct. By your logic, all words are meaningless because all definitions are legitimate, even contradictory ones. But again the facts count against you, for words do have meaning—before I arrived and after I'm gone.

(September 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Christians disagree on their definitions.

Please cite me a source—whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant—which substantiates that.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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