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Human Value Nonexistent?
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
(October 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is a difficult topic for me. I think perhaps it's true value needs a designer/creator/eternal source, but there is nothing wrong with acting in hope there is a higher value to us, even if it we are not sure there is value.

In other words, living according to hoped fantasy, is perhaps our last hope, if there is no way to know we have value.

We can hope we do have a soul and act is we are the same person.

There is nothing wrong with hope. We can hope we do have an objective value were are not aware of.

We can act according to that hoped fantasy. And there would be nothing wrong with that.

Firstly, you are right in that it is acceptable to have hope in objective value. But, two things come to mind. First, why is it objective if a creator bestows it? If I create a piece of artwork that is awful and I do not value it but someone else thinks it is good, then its value is subjective. Just because something has subjective value does not mean that it does not have value. For instance, is gold valuabe? Monetarily, it would be in most places, but someone could disagree. For example, if you were starving in the desert, which would you rather have, a basket of fruit, or some gold? Human life is of the ultimate value because it is our very existence, so naturally we will attribute value to it. Saying that your own life is valuable is no more delusional than saying that gold is valuable, noting that life is immensely more valuable than gold.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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Human Value Nonexistent? - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 17, 2012 at 7:45 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 17, 2012 at 7:47 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Anomalocaris - October 17, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 17, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 17, 2012 at 8:50 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Zen Badger - October 17, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by jonb - October 17, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Annik - October 17, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Annik - October 29, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Mister Agenda - October 17, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Minimalist - October 17, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by mralstoner - October 17, 2012 at 11:57 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 19, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by jonb - October 19, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Simon Moon - October 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Norfolk And Chance - October 19, 2012 at 8:32 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 20, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2012 at 9:20 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Angrboda - October 18, 2012 at 1:05 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Ryantology - October 19, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Cyberman - October 19, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Ryantology - October 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Aroura - October 19, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 2:24 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Cato - October 20, 2012 at 4:34 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Welsh cake - October 20, 2012 at 6:38 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 20, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 20, 2012 at 1:37 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:12 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Welsh cake - October 20, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 3:57 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by jonb - October 20, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Angrboda - October 23, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by pocaracas - October 23, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Utracia - October 28, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by festive1 - October 28, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by festive1 - October 28, 2012 at 11:32 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - October 28, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 10:51 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 11:28 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - October 29, 2012 at 12:05 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - October 28, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by festive1 - October 28, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by festive1 - October 29, 2012 at 12:10 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by festive1 - October 29, 2012 at 1:28 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 12:00 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 1:37 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by festive1 - October 29, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 29, 2012 at 4:03 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 10:54 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 12:25 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Ryantology - October 29, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 29, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 11:24 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by JohnDG - October 30, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by jonb - October 30, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 10:09 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:12 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 10:47 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 10:49 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 30, 2012 at 10:48 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 10:56 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:06 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:03 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 11:02 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 11:21 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 30, 2012 at 11:21 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 11:55 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 12:05 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by pocaracas - October 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 30, 2012 at 1:17 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - October 31, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 4:19 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 8:02 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - November 1, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 2:01 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 11:42 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:55 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 12:24 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 31, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Ryantology - October 31, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by KichigaiNeko - October 31, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - October 31, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 8:47 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - October 31, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 8:55 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - October 31, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by HorribleOffensiveScouser91 - October 31, 2012 at 9:28 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Prometheus_Unbound - November 4, 2012 at 9:27 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - November 5, 2012 at 12:47 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - November 6, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - November 11, 2012 at 11:38 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by genkaus - November 12, 2012 at 8:23 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by Kousbroek - November 10, 2012 at 8:00 am

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