Human Value Nonexistent?

[Mystic]

I can also make the counter argument that he is an insensitive git at times. The key is to weigh both and come to one's own conclusions.

Weight implies you can measure actions or a person. We believe in that, because without, we wouldn't be able to function as humans. Try as you might, you can't get let go of the belief of a soul. You don't acknowledge a soul intellectually, but you act as if there is.

From naturalism prespective, no one is the same person as they were before. They constantly change, and that means the death of the past of them. There is no perpetual identity.

Is it even possible to praise a person for who they have become without belief in soul :p Yes it is, but it's based on perception of a soul, even if it's not recognized.

We assume the child will grow up, and that child will be an adult. We don't assume the child is dead, and the adult is another person from that child.


Suratal Fatiha takes a genius to write.

First thing it reminds you of is name of God, along with Compassion, and Mercy. (Attraction number 1)

Praise (attraction number 2) belongs to God (justification) (attraction number 3)
Master of day of judgment (you will get to know yourself exactly as you are with objective view of yourself and be rewarded exactly for who you are) (Attraction 3)
Thee do we Worship Thee do We ask for Help (higher purpose, higher greatness existing) (attraction number 4)
Guide us upon the straight path (there is one way to live, and God wil show you that way) (attraction number 5)


What do you think an emotional being would pick?

No justification for praise. No way to know he is not deluded. No way to know he is living with objective maning.

Not knowing there is an objective measurement to who he is.

Religion is attractive. Atheism isn't It's a harsh truth.

But those delusions are still helpful sometimes. I think the ultimate goal is to strip away all delusions, though few every attain that level of "enlightenment," if you will.

What ultimate goal? From who, from where?

You really want to know none of your actions are praiseworthy.

The ultimate enlightenment we are programmed to believe, is to believe in an ultimate praiseworthy being, and that we are ascending towards him, and all the nasty evils in this world, is to bring about "praiseworthy" character.

Only that it's an illogical paradoxical concept

Ah, our lizard brains... Instinct is not a bad thing, often it is very, very good. I reason with my lizard brain when I react from my PTSD. It can be untrained and rationalized.

What is "good"? From what perspective. What if we evolved in a different way. What if we evolved without instinct reliance, but more thinking reliance.

Perhaps the happiest and better way of life is ignorant animals that don't need to think about all these complicated things we need to think about.

Nay. I say, our concept of self is our ultimate delusion. The self is divided into many parts that our brains rationalize and pull together to form a cohesive identity. Those of us with mental health issues often have varying degrees of difficulty with this process. What I fear most, is the "normal" person. I mistrust them. We all have our bad side. Just because someone is a great actor and can project a strong, cohesive self, to me, shows how divided they must be internally.

What bad side? Is there a bad side? Perhaps a depressing side...perhaps a disliked side...but a bad? Again, this perhaps is all inherited from myth based.


There maybe no praise, greatness, goodness, beauty to the self. IF there is no soul, perhaps it's impossible. Perhaps this is why most humans cannot but help believe in a soul or that it came together (belief in morals and soul) in evolution of our species.