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Prayer not working
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RE: Prayer not working
(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: First thing you assume you know God's perfect plan and how He works it, and you do not.

Don't a lot of theists tend to tell us we have it all wrong, thus implying that they know what's going on?

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: God speaks to use through the Spirit, since you do not know how that works the Spirit does not reside in you.

How can the holy spirit not reside in someone?

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: You must be quite dull minded to believe Christians think the Holy Spirit reside in the kidneys, mind or heart.
The Holy Spirit is a being which can move into our being and aid us in our daily lives.
Playing apparently is all you know, typically childish.

Now to answer some other questions. I find nothing wrong theologically with 1st Sam. 28:7-25.

Nephros (Greek) does mean kidney, but is used metaphorically to mean the inmost mind (self).
Kilyah (Hebrew) also means kidney, but is used metaphorically to mean the mind, innermost self.

How can you know this for a fact? How do you know that the holy spirit doesn't actually reside in the space where the kidney is?

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: You see when Christ searches, it is the innermost being of man, that which makes the moral choice, man's spirit.

For acts 19, the baptism the people were baptized into was John's baptism, Paul baptized them into Christ the Lord Jesus, because only Jesus can save.
Tell you what, you want to know what the Holy Spirit is like, become a believer in Christ and you can find out, would that not be the scientific thing to do, experience it first hand. I mean scientist believe there is dark matter and dark energy and they have not nor can they see it or prove it exist.
Now a question for you, tell me why is it that when one loses a loved one, a wife,husband, girlfriend ect. do you not get a head ache, instead you ache (feel the hurt) in one's chest. Why is it that when one is sad they feel the sadness in their chest, by your statement one should get a terrible head ache.

Dodgy Most atheists were once believers, as was I. I didn't feel the holy spirit. As for your second statement, are you trying to argue that the heart is the literal source of emotion? In fact, your example would show just why there isn't a holy spirit. If people can have an emotional experience translate into something physical independent of belief in god, independent of 'the holy spirit', does this not demonstrate that any feeling attributed to 'the holy spirit' is most likely self delusion?
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 20, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Tnmusicman - October 28, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Tnmusicman - October 31, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 29, 2012 at 5:41 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 29, 2012 at 7:13 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 29, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 30, 2012 at 3:32 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 30, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 31, 2012 at 7:46 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 2:17 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Ziploc Surprise - October 21, 2012 at 12:52 am
RE: Prayer not working - by FallentoReason - October 21, 2012 at 1:33 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 5:42 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 5:57 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 21, 2012 at 11:15 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 6:01 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 6:02 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 6:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by downbeatplumb - October 21, 2012 at 6:15 am
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 9:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 7:00 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 22, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 22, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Ryantology - October 28, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 29, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Ryantology - October 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by FallentoReason - October 30, 2012 at 10:35 am
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 30, 2012 at 10:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 31, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 3:20 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 31, 2012 at 2:45 am
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 2:37 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - November 2, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm

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