Human Value Nonexistent?

[genkaus]

That seems non-sequiter. We made Gods doesn't mean they exist. So what if we made meaning, value, praise, morals, justice, it's a perception.

There are two different modes in which things exist - natural and conceptual. For example, the world you see around you exists in a physical form. The scientific theories describing that world exist in conceptual form. Similarly, the gods we made exist in conceptual form as well, i.e. we do have ideas regarding those gods. Since they do not exist in the natural world - as is often asserted - we say that they are not 'real'.

However, things like meaning, value, praise etc. are not even thought of as existing in any other form that conceptual. They are and always have been the products of consciousness. They do exist and they are real. And if they are based on physical reality, then they are objective as well.

You may feel superior to someone, that is your perception, but it doesn't make you superior.

If I just feel superior, then no. But if I can show myself to be, then yes.

Like wise you can feel an act is praiseworthy, it doesn't make it praiseworthy.

Exactly. Just feeling that doesn't make it so. For it to be praiseworthy would depend on the details of the act itself.

You can value a thing, but it can be total without value.

What do you mean by that?

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Perhaps the logic Theists go through is the following even if they never express it, when they ask Atheists "Where did you get value/morals/meaning from"

I can only know there is meaning, value, morals, praise, if I know there is a soul and metaphysical reality, behind my perception.
I can only know there is a soul and metaphysical reality behind my perception, if I know there is value, morals, praise, meaning.

I cannot know one without the other. Instinct and emotion attachment makes you either want to believe in both or in the case there is knowledge of both, then it makes you to incline to hold on to that knowledge.

Like I said, evolution could've hardwired religious thought, because we sought to justify praise, morals. It can be a complete delusion, but perhaps, it's not.

Perhaps religious people are wrong about their world views but they are not wrong in feeling there must be meaning and a soul.

Except, you cannot blame evolution for this flawed reasoning because there are a lot of atheistic philosophies as well which believe in value, morals, praise and meaning. Therefore, they would not only be wrong in their worldview but in feeling that there must be a soul as well.