Human Value Nonexistent?

[Mystic]

However, things like meaning, value, praise etc. are not even thought of as existing in any other form that conceptual.

But this seems to indicate that they are delusions then, not that they are real. They are a real only the sense, yes we feel that way, but not in the sense there actual praise, value, etc...From one way, yes, if I praise "Allah", the concept of praise exists in me. But is it objective at all?

They are and always have been the products of consciousness. They do exist and they are real. And if they are based on physical reality, then they are objective as well.

Well assuming naturalism is true, they would be created by physical reality. But it doesn't mean they aren't delusions.

If I just feel superior, then no. But if I can show myself to be, then yes.

This is assuming there is a way for you to know and judge. This assuming this is objective measurement to one's existence. But all of this is not proven from naturalism perspective.

Anyways, your concept was non-sequitor, because you said they exist because we have the concepts. Now you are saying they need to be justified concepts. But saying they can be justified because we have these concepts (your justification) doesn't justify it.

Exactly. Just feeling that doesn't make it so. For it to be praiseworthy would depend on the details of the act itself.

Perhaps, perhaps it's not only the act, but the spirit behind the act. Perhaps we don't attribute that much importance to actions, but the emotion that motivates such actions, the conscious feeling behind it. And we do so with belief there is perpetual free-will identity that grows and is chosen to a degree by the person.

But again, you "we can conceive of it, therefore they exist" is not justified.

You can value a thing, but it can be total without value.

What do you mean by that?

It has value in subjective sense for sure, because you give it value, it's valuable to you.

But if two people value you differently, for example, does that mean there is two value measurements to you? In only one sense of language, but in another sense, no there is only one measurement of who you are.

If someone values something to a degree, and another person feels the opposite of it, yes there is value in the sense of how people feel about, but what is the objective value to that thing?

And because we imagine or assume there is an objective value when we make our subjective value, doesn't mean there is any.

Except, you cannot blame evolution for this flawed reasoning because there are a lot of atheistic philosophies as well which believe in value, morals, praise and meaning.

Total blame, no, but partial blame yes. Tribalism is our roots, but right now, a lot of people can feel non-nationalistic, but feel part of the whole community of the world without favoring one people over another. But it doesn't mean the human condition is not the tribe mentality.

There can be all sorts of free-thinkers now, doesn't mean evolution didn't favor inclination to trusting our community leaders.

There can be a lot of critical thinkers now due to the culture of education we went through, but doesn't mean evolution didn't favor non-critical think but blind following.

How much people have come up with their own philosophy as opposed to following one?

Sure a society could've went away from the tribal roots of myth, and believed in morals/praise without belief in spirit/soul, but it doesn't take away what the theists feel when they assume both. A theist maybe going back to the root of tribal instinct, while an atheistic society, is "suppressing" that instinct/feeling.