Human Value Nonexistent?

[Mystic]

JohnDG is right, but that is because people don't appreciate what they have, this is a brilliant universe, it was not created at anyone's dictation, there is nobody in charge to tell us what to do, we can make of it what ever we want to make of it, and we could make it even better if we could be bothered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYOcaQ-x5o

This is it. Appreciation. We loved when others did good to us, and we felt the need to praise them (evolution wise).

You assume we can make of it what we want, but can we? Or are we driven by assumptions. Some of it on instinct but most of created by culture.

I will give you an example. The structure of the months of Islam. Most Muslims their favorite month is Ramadan, because they feel, somehow all their actions are worth more.

Personally, my favorite month was Shaban. The month before. This is because it was really encouraged to fast without it being obligatory. I like the idea it was encouraged but not obligatory. I also appreciate the month of Ramadan because it's obligatory, and it forces you to a want to do more good.

Are our actions more significant during Ramadan then not? No...but belief creates a reality to us. Without belief in Islam, however, I cannot create the feeling that my actions are worth more significance than other times.

Then you have "the Night of measurement/greatness". It is suppose to be worth more then a thousand months. One day worth more than one thousands months of good actions.

You do one good deed that day, it's worth more than a thousand months of that good deed.

There is suppose to a change to the metaphysical composition of the universe. This is stated to be through "Angels descending, and the Spirit". The Spirit is meant by either Jebreil per Sunni understanding or shia understanding, it refers to the Imam of time.

Mohammad created significance in minds of Muslims to the night of measurement/greatness.

The belief in it creates a world to Muslims. It's valuable to them and worth a lot. They believe there is an objective value to their actions in the eyes of God worth more than other nights.

But without the myth, can they create this reality?

I use to recite a supplication against black magic, that summons the "sword of God" and attack the Sorcerers and Jinn, "with the might of God" "Honour of God"... and to "exalt myself with the highness of God".

I created my own vision of my self. I had "sword of God" from my perspective.

But without belief, can I create that reality?

Without belief something is praiseworthy, can we even praise it?

Sure, create your own meaning, I understand, but when you go to create your own meaning, you do believing in what you create is of significance and of meaning. But that requires some belief in objective meaning.

But objecting meaning is not proven.

The stanley cup has a lot meaning to NHL and NHL fans. But does it have an objective value? We roll with the tide, because that it was it means to be human.

To a mystic like Imam Khomeini, the stanley cup is totally vain effort worth nothing. To an Atheist, Imam Khomeini aim at "dissappearing into the light of God" or his favorite supplication "O God grant our hearts the the light of gazing upon you, till they pierce the veils of light, and our souls get suspended by the sanctity of your Spirit., may be meaningless.

Is there an objective meaning? And it subjective meaning people place possible without belief there is an objective meaning even if they can't quite tell you how.