Human Value Nonexistent?

[Mystic]

They are actual - or rather objective - if they are based on actual things - such as your actual actions or accomplishments. If they are based on imaginary things - such as Allah - then they are delusions.

We all give different significance to actions and accomplishments. This doesn't mean there is an actual measurement to our actions. But you are assuming our actions can be of significance (meaning). You are assuming there can be praiseworthy actions. In other words you are just asserting the conclusion.

Our instinct to believe in praiseworthy actions. We wouldn't have survived if we didn't. But just because we have the concept of praiseworthy actions and praise an action, it doesn't make it praiseworthy.

You are not making any sense.

Your justification was that because we have these concept and we created them, they are somehow objective or have a basis and are not delusions. I showed that reasoning is non-sequitur, so what is your basis to it other then resorting to "we have a concept of it, therefore it's not a delusion".

I am not even sure we do have a concept of it or a rather a belief in it. What I mean by a concept is a firm grasp of what is the essence of praise.

It maybe an impossible concept, just as "the being that cannot be any greater or have anything" greater is a concept people have, but it maybe rationally impossible.

Just as Wrathful/Just + Merciful concept of Yahweh or God or Allah, can be contradictory. Is there a concept of it, or rather a belief in it.

Do we even have a concept of what makes something praiseworthy or do we have belief in praise and go on that instinct and create our own significance to actions.

Or perhaps not. Present an argument for me to refute - not suppositions.

You are the one making the claim I am the agnostic confused one.

Read what I wrote again - that is not what I said.

I read it again, it's exactly what you said.

Except, we use separate standards for measuring value of different things all the time. The length of a stick is an objective value - whether we measure it by metres or inches. Money has an objective value - whether its in dollars or euros. Just because we haven'r found an acceptable standard for measuring the value of people doesn't mean it is not objective.

True, but that there exists any objective measurement or worth, is not proven either.

Except, tribe-mentality has nothing to do with propagation of myths and delusions. It works just as well with facts.

Doesn't seem to be the case of the human condition. Belief in praise maybe a myth. But we can't live without that myth.

The character at fault here is not tribalism but the desire for explanations.

Well I'm not saying it's tribalism, I'm saying the evolutionary roots of created by a long history of tribalism development and moral development may incline us to believe in a certain type of explanation as opposed to another. It may also be the root cause to mythical belief, like belief in a metaphysical form to our actions or a soul.