Human Value Nonexistent?

[genkaus]

We all give different significance to actions and accomplishments. This doesn't mean there is an actual measurement to our actions. But you are assuming our actions can be of significance (meaning). You are assuming there can be praiseworthy actions. In other words you are just asserting the conclusion.

Our instinct to believe in praiseworthy actions. We wouldn't have survived if we didn't. But just because we have the concept of praiseworthy actions and praise an action, it doesn't make it praiseworthy.

On the contrary, that is exactly what does make it praiseworthy, because there is where the very concept of praise comes from.

Your justification was that because we have these concept and we created them, they are somehow objective or have a basis and are not delusions.

Wrong. I'm saying that because we have these concepts and we created them, they exist at a conceptual level. The same way all the concepts of measurement of physical things exist as well.And because they are based on facts of reality - on actual physical things such as actions or accomplishments - that they are objective and not delusions.

I showed that reasoning is non-sequitur, so what is your basis to it other then resorting to "we have a concept of it, therefore it's not a delusion".

You would, because you didn't understand it in the first place.

I am not even sure we do have a concept of it or a rather a belief in it. What I mean by a concept is a firm grasp of what is the essence of praise.

What the fuck is that?

It maybe an impossible concept, just as "the being that cannot be any greater or have anything" greater is a concept people have, but it maybe rationally impossible.

You cannot say what is rationally possible or impossible before you understand what it is.

Do we even have a concept of what makes something praiseworthy or do we have belief in praise and go on that instinct and create our own significance to actions.

We do have a concept of what makes something praiseworthy.

You are the one making the claim I am the agnostic confused one.

Clearly. But you haven't given any rational arguments against the the arguments I gave in support of my claims.

I read it again, it's exactly what you said.

Then this time, use glasses.

True, but that there exists any objective measurement or worth, is not proven either.

Have you read my "objective morality argument" where I argue for exactly that?

Doesn't seem to be the case of the human condition. Belief in praise maybe a myth. But we can't live without that myth.

That's because it isn't a myth.

Well I'm not saying it's tribalism, I'm saying the evolutionary roots of created by a long history of tribalism development and moral development may incline us to believe in a certain type of explanation as opposed to another. It may also be the root cause to mythical belief, like belief in a metaphysical form to our actions or a soul.

So, you don't know if tribalism makes us more inclined to believe in myths - you just feel it might - and without any concrete reason for that belief, I might add. Come back when you have an actual argument to make - not just empty hypotheses.