Human Value Nonexistent?

[genkaus]

I seem to agree with you, but it seems such is that state of humanity.

Believing in objective value is not a reason to value anything. Yet it's our most foundational belief that drives us to value things.

And what belief you are talking about here?

Explain to me, how anyone would have subjective value to anything, without believing it's of value in reality?

By believing in its purpose in reality.

At most, you value yourself, and do things for yourself. Evolution wise, it's a passionate instinct. It doesn't need justification, it's just what it is. It's make us flourish, we like, we enjoy, it works.

That is the justification that you say is not needed.

Or if I believe in a lie of why it should be

Then that is not a justification.

We are all seeking purpose. It's the human experience.

Value of yourself is foundational survival instinct. A cow values itself and doesn't want to die. We don't care about it's own value of itself, we kill it and eat it.

Humans sense of value is probably the highest sense of value on earth. But is any of it justified rationally?

And the sense of value seems chaotic worldly wise, but in the tribe/nation/culture, it seems stable, by simply praise value consensus.

Have enough people praise a thing excessively, and it becomes more valuable in our perception.

The moment you declare it as a foundational instinct, you cut off any possibility of rational justification. Thus, for you atleast, valuing yourself is an irrational, unjustified instinct. If you actually let go of that premise, you may find an actual justification.

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The action happened, whether it's praiseworthy or not, is not proven.
Is it the basis?

Yes. The action itself is the basis of whether its praiseworthy or not.

I thought you said it's conceptual. I thought you said because we have a concept of praise, therefore, things are praiseworthy.

Then you misunderstood. I said that because we have a concept of praise, things may be praiseworthy. Whether they are or not depends on the things themselves.

Evolution wise, when did the belief in praise, become rationally justified? And how?

"Evolution wise". What does that have to do with rational justification?

And not to those who believe in myths.

But their answer is a delusion.

This doesn't seem ring to me. The opposite seems true. The only point of giving it worth, is if it has worth.

You don't give someone money if he already has money. You don't feed someone who isn't hungry. The same way you don't give it worth if it already has worth. How do you not understand this simple concept?

So what is the nature and purpose of a human being? You have the answer?

For myself - yes. Not for you.

Religions have an answer.

But no valid justification for those answers.

We all seek certainty. But at the same time, want certainty to confirm some foundational praise of our nature.

Don't generalize your own delusions about humanity on the rest of us.