RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 30, 2012 at 1:17 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm by Mystic.)
(October 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You tell me. I value hammers because they expertly handle a specific problem. The more adequate any given design of hammer is in performing this task the more value it has to me. How much delusion, passion, or instinct do you think is involved in such an appraisal of value?
You are right. I'm talking more about praise as in moral praise, worth, that type of thing.
Well I'm not saying all of it's "pure instinct". It has structure, but it's driven by instinct. So subjective value has some structure. If it didn't have any structure, we wouldn't function.
I like lasagna more then chicken, therefore I value lasagna more then chicken. Yes I like lasagna more. It makes me happier when I eat lasagna. Therefore it's more valuable to me. This subjective. But a lot of this chaotic. For example, when I was a kid, I read garfield books. Garfield liked lasagna a lot. Then I had a passion for it. This passion remains. It's passion.
In the case of myths, they are not without structure either. They are as valuable as they work for a human and provide structure to society. They mean something to that human. But it's driven by passion at it's basis.
Genkaus, I think we are going in circles. YEs but no, yes but no, type thing.
I want to say Genkaus, I do appreciate you trying to guide me through. But perhaps sometimes there is a dead lock on what people take as obvious.
I can't seem to grasp the idea because we have a concept of praise, we therefore have a concept of objective praise. You would think if we have this objectivity, we would all have agreed by now. Further question is evolution wise, did the perception of "pride" grow as primates to human evolved...But when did primate to humans ever rely on objective analytical reasoning to act morally? If it was all subjective then, and everyone was relying on subjective and united as we evolved, when did it become objective?
If we always misguided in our morals, and never justified (we didn't have books to write way back when we were evolving) it, how did objectivity judgment ever take roots in a human?
