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Human Value Nonexistent?
RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
(October 31, 2012 at 1:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I agree that logic can't prove it but I think science can only disprove it, but can never prove it.

Science deals with evidence, not proof.

And, if you don't believe science or logic can evidentially justify values why are you expecting justification?

Quote:Philosophers go out searching for wisdom thinking it will give them value, only to be confused about if there is such a thing.

I think that some people are wiser than others but that is merely my opinion. If I assume I am right about that nevertheless I can make arguments following it. All I really mean by the fact that some people are wiser than others is my own interpretation of what it means for people to be "wise".

Quote:Philosophy and science although benefited humanity so much now, may also destroy it in the future.

Many things could destroy humanity.

Quote:If scientifically, it is proven we have no free-will for example at all, this maybe the downfall of humanity.

Science can't prove anything. It is based on evidence, not proof. But science has evidence that there is no free will in the sense that there's evidence that your unconscious mind has already decided what you're going to do shortly before you actually do it.

Quote:If philosophically it can be proven subjective morality and objectively morality are a paradox, it maybe the downfall of humanity.

They're only a paradox if you commit the equivocation fallacy between a definition of objectivity/subjectivity that are defined as opposites and a definition when they're not....

I'll explain: If objectivity refers to all objects in the universe and objects refer to things, then anything that is a thing - everything in other words - is an object. Therefore subjective things - subjectivity - must also be objects, so they must also be part of objectivity, so they must also be subjective. Therefore some things are entirely objective, while others are both objective and subjective.

On the other hand if we define subjectivity and objectivity as necessarily opposites, then anything that is subjective isn't an object, so it isn't a thing, so it doesn't exist.

Subjectivity is imaginary, imagination is the opposite of real, therefore it doesn't exist.

But then, in a different sense, subjectivity is imaginary, and imagination does exist in the sense that it is "there" we have an imagination.

Quote:Ignorance is bliss.

To paraphrase Stephen Fry: If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people in the world?
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Human Value Nonexistent? - by Reasonable_Jeff - October 17, 2012 at 7:45 am
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
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