Human Value Nonexistent?

[Mystic]

You're expecting science to provide evidence for the existence of intrinsic values, or logic to prove that they exist?

I would like to see that it's even "possible" through naturalism perspective. We praise each other evolution wise, because it works. That doesn't make it praiseworthy. We can a concept of praiseworthiness, we take it for granted, but evolution wise, it simply is there because it worked, not that it has actual measuring reality to our actions.

I can imagine myself in whatever way I want, it won't make me who I am.

I can imagine I have value, it doesn't mean I have value, it just mean I assign that value to me.

Now it can be knowledge, but can it be knowledge evolution wise. Why would evolution create knowledge of praise as opposed to delusion of praise? If praise had to be justified, when did we ever get the justification for praise evolution wise, except that it worked.

It seems to me (though I hope I am wrong) that William Lane Craig( and ReasonableJeff) are right that such thing is not really possible without God.

And is it even possible for humans to truly measure a worth of an action? Do they know how valuable an action is really as opposed to another? They can appreciate and love a value, and praise it, but they obviously don't know the real value.

Judgement day belief provides that there is an objective judge to all our actions and to who we are.

No, but it is a requirement, so, once again, to paraphrase Stephen Fry: if ignorance is bliss why aren't there more happy people in the world?

You are right, ignorance is not bliss.

Knowledge can make us better humans in a particular sense of "better". If "better" means "less suffering", for example, then knowledge can help us be better humans because knowledge can help us find out ways to reduce suffering. But the point is that any objective value of "better" cannot be proven. We can't prove that one conception of "better" is better than another.

Maybe we can prove it to ourselves. Maybe if we break the foundations of our assumptions, we will awaken to the sword of God within the soul.

Maybe we are listening too much to people and depending too much on people, but the answer lies in a divine help within the soul.