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Prayer not working
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RE: Prayer not working
(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: First thing you assume you know God's perfect plan and how He works it, and you do not.

(October 29, 2012 at 7:13 am)Brakeman Wrote: "How could god change his previously perfect plans due to prayer"
Does not presuppose knowledge of his plans. Do you have a reading disability or a comprehension disability? Again you avoid answering the actual question but instead try to dance around it in a rather dishonest way.

I danced around nothing, you asked a question that presumes you know His plan, now since you have shared you do not know God's plan my statement "you do not" rings true.

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: God speaks to use through the Spirit, since you do not know how that works the Spirit does not reside in you. You must be quite dull minded to believe Christians think the Holy Spirit reside in the kidneys, mind or heart.
The Holy Spirit is a being which can move into our being and aid us in our daily lives.
Playing apparently is all you know, typically childish.

Bm Wrote:No, childish is your dimwitted perception that I was referring to my beliefs about where the soul resides. I haven't believed in such silly nonsense as a soul since I was a child. The pithed brains that thought the kidneys were the home of the soul were the early christians and bible writers. If you were as well read about the scriptures as you claim and knew anything other than modern interpretations you would know that.

I did not say you believed the Holy Spirit resides in the kidneys, by the way the soul and Holy Spirit are two different things. What I did say is, Christians do not believe the Holy Spirit resides in the kidneys or any other body part. The early Christians did not believe the Holy Spirit resided in the kidneys, by that time the kidneys were known to produce urine and the urine moved to the bladder, so a body part that had a known function would then not be used as a place of moral compass. There is only one place in the entire NT which says kidneys, I can not explain why the writer use kidneys, I'll have to research the reasoning. By the way reins is a transliterated word to soften the word kidneys in the KJV, by then everyone knew the kidneys function and would have found that word a bit distasteful. In most modern translations the word mind is used in place of kidneys and reins, why because we have a better understanding of the body, the word brain was never used in scriptures, it was believed to be useless. I could go on about this but I think you see what I'm saying, don't you.

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Nephros (Greek) does mean kidney, but is used metaphorically to mean the inmost mind (self).
Kilyah (Hebrew) also means kidney, but is used metaphorically to mean the mind, innermost self.


Bm Wrote:How would that start to become understood metaphorically? What quality of the kidneys were chosen to embody the meaning that the writer wanted to communicate? When an author chooses to use a metaphor there is a quality that one intends to communicate. For example, the metaphor "the "rock" of ages", makes sense since the rock is hard, strong, and unmoving, which is what the writers wanted to convey with that sentence. "The sock of ages" makes no sense as there is no quality of a sock that a writer would be intending to portray. So what about a kidney was the writer or jesus trying to convey to the bible audience?

In OT times the writers like everyone else believed the kidneys had no function, they did not even know what the hearts function was, they actually believed they had spiritual significance. The reasoning behind this, because they were hidden deep within the body by much protective membrane, fat, bone and other tissue, in other words the inmost part. They believed them to be special, this is why they were used in sacrificial ceremonies. So what was being conveyed, God can search the innermost depths of man, what we now know as the mind.

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: For acts 19, the baptism the people were baptized into was John's baptism, Paul baptized them into Christ the Lord Jesus, because only Jesus can save.

Bm Wrote:Really? John didn't know about jesus when he baptized them? John didn't inspire "john 3:16?"
Explain this in detail please.. I don't know the scriptures' meaning her as well as you.

I have no idea what you mean by your last sentence.
John the Baptist did not inspire John 3:16 nor did he write it if this is what you are eluding to. As far as when John the Baptist knew about Jesus, scripture says John knew about Jesus when both were in the womb. John was actually preaching about Jesus even before he met Him physically.

(October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: Now a question for you, tell me why is it that when one loses a loved one, a wife,husband, girlfriend ect. do you not get a head ache, instead you ache (feel the hurt) in one's chest. Why is it that when one is sad they feel the sadness in their chest, by your statement one should get a terrible head ache.

Bm Wrote:Because the brain sends off an avalanche of hormones that causes your heart to race and you can feel the surge of pumping in your chest. Nothing more.


If you want to drop the smirks and derogatory language I would be happy to do so in kind.

This does not even sound reasonable, when one is felling low their heart is not racing and I doubt an avalanche of hormones are flowing through the body. I've had my heart rate and blood pressure checked when I've been feeling terrible about the loss of someone, no high blood pressure nor abnormal heart rate, so it must be something more.
As for the remarks why should you feel that someone should treat you better than you treat them, when I get irritated about statements made with derogatory language toward what I believe, I tend to return the same, yes this is not how I should act, because I'm a Christian.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 20, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Tnmusicman - October 28, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Tnmusicman - October 31, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 29, 2012 at 5:41 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 29, 2012 at 7:13 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 29, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 30, 2012 at 3:32 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 30, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 31, 2012 at 7:46 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 2:17 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Ziploc Surprise - October 21, 2012 at 12:52 am
RE: Prayer not working - by FallentoReason - October 21, 2012 at 1:33 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 5:42 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 5:57 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 21, 2012 at 11:15 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 6:01 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 6:02 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 6:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by downbeatplumb - October 21, 2012 at 6:15 am
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 9:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 7:00 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 22, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 22, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Ryantology - October 28, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 29, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Ryantology - October 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by FallentoReason - October 30, 2012 at 10:35 am
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 30, 2012 at 10:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 31, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 3:20 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 31, 2012 at 2:45 am
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 2:37 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - November 2, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm

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