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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why

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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
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RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm
(November 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm)John V Wrote: Sure. His desirous will is what he wants. His sovereign will is what he permits (and is called permissive will by some).

When someone murders another, that’s within god’s sovereign will, but against his desirous will.

So then, god does not choose when it is someone's 'time'?
That’s a non sequitur. Those definitions do not imply that someone’s “time” is a function of one or the other, or that it is consistently one or the other for all people.

Quote: Well, we don't really have inherent 'rights' over lesser creatures; we hunted them for survival, and now eat them for sustenance. God is all powerful, so I don't see why he would need to control us.
If we don’t have rights over lesser creatures, then we’re using them without right for our own selfish purposes. If we don’t need justification, why does God?

Quote:I guess that depends how you define 'create'. We claim them either as pets, or for sustenance. Unless you'd like to become a vegan...
Yes, unless you condemn everyone but vegans, you’re going to run into hypocrisy if you make charges against god for his treatment of us.
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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why

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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 4:59 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 5:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 7:11 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Utracia - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cinjin - November 1, 2012 at 10:55 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 9:16 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 9:33 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by LastPoet - November 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Undeceived - November 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 2, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Ryantology - November 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 3, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 6, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 1:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 3:48 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 5:49 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 6, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:29 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:39 am

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