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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
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RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why
November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm (This post was last modified: November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm by Darkstar.)
(November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm)John V Wrote: If we don’t have rights over lesser creatures, then we’re using them without right for our own selfish purposes. If we don’t need justification, why does God?

What is a 'right'? Do rights objectively exist? If by selfish you mean for the species as a whole, and not helping other animals directly, then in a way yes. Our justification was survival and now is dietary. We could live without meat, it would just be harder. However, god cannot encouter hardship, so why does he need us? We raise livestock, and if we kill animals during hunting, the animal had a chance. We don't order all the animals in a forest to line up so we can eat some of them to satisfy our non-existant hunger. Note that I'm comparing our 'need' for meat with god's 'need' to manipulate us. Also, we can't communicate with lesser animals.

(November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm)John V Wrote: Yes, unless you condemn everyone but vegans, you’re going to run into hypocrisy if you make charges against god for his treatment of us.

Plants are still technically alive, so it depends on how far down you are willing to go. Humans are sentient, but not all powerful. If we were all powerful we would just be thinking steaks into existence, rather than killiing animals to get them.
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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why

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We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 4:59 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Killman - November 1, 2012 at 5:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 7:11 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Utracia - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cinjin - November 1, 2012 at 10:55 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 9:16 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Fryslân - November 1, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Gilgamesh - November 1, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 9:33 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by LastPoet - November 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Undeceived - November 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 1, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Minimalist - November 2, 2012 at 2:24 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 2, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 2, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Ryantology - November 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 3, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 6, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 1:41 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 2:35 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 4, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Zen Badger - November 4, 2012 at 3:48 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 5:49 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Aractus - November 4, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 4, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:46 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by pocaracas - November 6, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:29 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: We Should Thank Murderers, Here is Why - by festive1 - November 6, 2012 at 10:39 am

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