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Proof that God doesn't exist
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RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
DoubtVsFaith Wrote:You still haven't disproved that Jesus is God incarnate and that God created the universe. What Jesus is saving us from could mean anything if it's all allegory.

(November 4, 2012 at 9:26 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: The fact that Paul, who was in contact with Christ Jesus, tells us that Adam was literal, either shows that Paul was making up stuff (because our assumption here is that Genesis is allegorical) OR that Jesus himself was telling him Adam was literal, which means that Jesus was wrong i.e. he wasn't divine in that case.
If it's allegorical then the concept of "divine" might be completely different too. Maybe a divine God can lie? Maybe a divine God can be wrong? Maybe omnipotence and omniscience are allegorical too. Like I said, maybe everything is allegorical apart from the fact that Jesus is God incarnate and God created the universe.

Quote: Then we also get Jesus himself making an implicit reference to creation and how the first humans were Adam & Eve.
Could be allegory. You haven't disproved that.

Quote: Given that in this thread we have granted the bulk of the Christian god's claims but modified it to say Genesis is allegorical, I'd say that these couple of things show Jesus wasn't god.
I'm not suggesting that only Genesis might be allegory. I'm saying that it is logically possible that everything in the Bible is allegory except the fact that God created the universe and Jesus is God incarnate. And so, Jesus could also be God incarnate but everything else about Jesus was allegory, maybe even the miracles. Maybe he just has God's mind and he is God in human form, but he can't do anything that God can do?

It's all logically possible, therefore you haven't disproved it.

Quote:Saying "God works in mysterious ways" makes the Christian sound like a Pantheist. The Christian claims to have a relationship with the Almighty Creator of the Cosmos whereas the Pantheist doesn't, but yet the Christian has to shrug and cop out with the "mysterious ways" line. I find that incredibly laughable really. So laughable in fact that the hilarity can be portrayed through memes.

Yes, it's laughable but once again my point remains: Your own incredulity isn't disproof. If we can conceive of a logically possible God that created the universe and a logically possible Jesus as that God incarnate then it isn't disproved.

Are you attempting to disprove every conceivable form of Christianity believable by an individual or just certain forms? I reckon that you can do the latter but not the former.

Quote:Arguably, both these examples also show he wasn't divine.
Not if divinity is allegory.
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Messages In This Thread
Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by ThomM - November 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - October 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - October 31, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 1:00 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 1, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 2, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by festive1 - November 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 1:51 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Cato - November 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 3, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 6:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 4, 2012 at 8:28 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 8:09 am
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 7:01 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 4, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm

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