RE: Uganda passing law that allows them to put homosexuals to death.
November 14, 2012 at 2:57 am
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2012 at 3:09 am by Aractus.)
(November 13, 2012 at 11:44 am)festive1 Wrote: Ummm... I studied history in school, mainly African diaspora history (ie. African American, Caribbean, etc.). But there was a healthy dose of African history, anthropology, and culture thrown in the mix as well. I have personally only visited Kenya, however, I live with and am married to someone who works exclusively in the politics of Africa and has visited about 50 different countries on the continent. I've learned a lot through discussing various political and cultural issues with him.What I mean is that if Christianity had such an impact on their views on sexuality, then it doesn't seem to show in relation to their opinions on promiscuity, adultery and prostitution. It's cherry picking to blame the anti-gay movement on anything other than hard right politics. Certainly I would never advocate the criminalization of homosexual acts, I can't reconcile that as being positive for society in general.
Quote:You are correct, in many cultures in Africa, what we in the West would consider "promiscuous" sexual behavior, is normal. This includes multiple partners and polygamy. This does not make their views "bad" or "sinful," just different.The USA presently produces and then gives to the whole world violent forms of pornography. Now, granted, even I wouldn't suggest that all "violent sex" is bad - but do I see a problem with what the USA does? Of course, because pornography isn't even about displaying what is wonderful about sex, it's more about pushing the extremes, demeaning women, etc. In many ways I think what the USA gives us now is even worse than the Child Pornography that Denmark gave us in the 70's.
To get back to this specific point, adultery is by definition alone bad. It's bad for families, for children, for parents, it affects friends and family. Promiscuity is also bad - one of my very best friends has been extremely promiscuous throughout his adult life, and even he himself will attest to this - even though he continues to be promiscuous. Like the smokers who say it's bad, and the drug users who tell us drugs are bad.
Quote:To say they are "bad" or "sinful" is to impose a Western sense of morality on a non-Western society. Because these are not Western societies, this is an incorrect stance to take. However, these societies have their own limits on what is acceptable. For instance, a woman can have multiple lovers and a husband, but isn't allowed to be "open" about these extramarital relationships. Everyone knows about them, but no one talks about them. This taboo of talking about one's sex life is a big contributor to the AIDS rates in Africa. People claim they only have sex with their spouses, but in fact they have multiple sex partners.That is pretty much how it is in Africa, yes.
Quote:The figures you present are from an African diaspora community currently living in Australia.Nope, I gave you figures from the Gay community here in Canberra. Unemployment in Canberra (2011) 3.8% - Unemployment Gay community in Canberra (2011) over 20%. Those figures are right here where I live, they're not invented and they're taken from a trusted source.
(November 13, 2012 at 11:52 am)Kousbroek Wrote: The only problem i see is the way you talk about gay people and sexuality.Don't presume to think you know what I am on about. I'll let you know very soon my own ideas to the exact same question I asked everyone else to answer. Since you haven't even heard them yet, it's a bit soon to start criticizing.
Your narrow-mindedness seems to know no boundaries and i think that is sad because you also seem to be a nice guy.
Quote:High unemployment rates among gay people imo is a side effect from still not being accepted in most societies.So you would address the problem - how?
Not being accepted just because who you are, not because you did anything wrong or harmful to anybody but just because you are alive will sooner or later have a profound effect and people like you with ideas like you have sure don't help Daniel.
Quote:Drug use ... could you be a little more specific about that because i've learned over the yrs that most people have quite a distorted view on what that really is.Distorted how?