RE: Uganda passing law that allows them to put homosexuals to death.
November 14, 2012 at 8:25 am
(November 14, 2012 at 2:57 am)Daniel Wrote: What I mean is that if Christianity had such an impact on their views on sexuality, then it doesn't seem to show in relation to their opinions on promiscuity, adultery and prostitution. It's cherry picking to blame the anti-gay movement on anything other than hard right politics. Certainly I would never advocate the criminalization of homosexual acts, I can't reconcile that as being positive for society in general.Well, if you go into a traditional society, tell people their beliefs are wrong and they should follow your belief system in it's place, it doesn't always work. As in the case of Africa, many people nominally switch their religion to Christian when missionaries show up, but they don't necessarily change their hearts or minds about their traditional societal values. They don't necessarily change their views on sexuality, instead they keep their "un-Christian" sexual practices in the closet, so to speak. If one's traditional society allows for multiple sex partners and spouses, why change to a system that condemns you to hell for practicing such things? To do so is to condemn friends and family to hell for still practicing the "old ways." Not to mention, many traditional African societies practice some form of ancestor worship, so all those revered ancestors would actually be burning in hell. To go into a traditional society and tell people their belief system is wrong... well that's ethnocentric and a denial of the positive points of the traditional system.
(November 14, 2012 at 2:57 am)Daniel Wrote: The USA presently produces and then gives to the whole world violent forms of pornography. Now, granted, even I wouldn't suggest that all "violent sex" is bad - but do I see a problem with what the USA does? Of course, because pornography isn't even about displaying what is wonderful about sex, it's more about pushing the extremes, demeaning women, etc. In many ways I think what the USA gives us now is even worse than the Child Pornography that Denmark gave us in the 70's.And how exactly does this pertain to Africa?
(November 14, 2012 at 2:57 am)Daniel Wrote: To get back to this specific point, adultery is by definition alone bad. It's bad for families, for children, for parents, it affects friends and family. Promiscuity is also bad - one of my very best friends has been extremely promiscuous throughout his adult life, and even he himself will attest to this - even though he continues to be promiscuous. Like the smokers who say it's bad, and the drug users who tell us drugs are bad.Adultery in Western society is considered bad. Promiscuity in Western society is considered bad. Simply because Westerners view these things as bad, doesn't mean every other society shares that view. It doesn't mean those other societies are wrong, either. Just different. Like I pointed out, traditional societies in Africa have a series of balances that allow people to have multiple sex partners within a given society. Simply because they don't conform to Western views of morality, doesn't make them wrong, bad, sinful (choose your shaming descriptor). Perhaps what is wrong in this scenario is the Western sense of morality. Biologically speaking, having multiple sex partners is a good thing. It diversifies the gene pool. Most people, Westerners included, have more than one sex partner throughout their lifetimes.
(November 14, 2012 at 2:57 am)Daniel Wrote: That is pretty much how it is in Africa, yes.And how do you know this? What is your experience with Africa? Did you study African cultures in school? Have you ever been?
(November 14, 2012 at 2:57 am)Daniel Wrote: Nope, I gave you figures from the Gay community here in Canberra. Unemployment in Canberra (2011) 3.8% - Unemployment Gay community in Canberra (2011) over 20%. Those figures are right here where I live, they're not invented and they're taken from a trusted source.If these figures are taken from a community, of mainly white, Australians, how are they representative of Africans? Are you saying that because the gay community in Canberra has a higher unemployment rate, more drug use, and more group sex than the general population, that it must be applicable to other gay communities in different countries? If so, I'm sorry, I won't take that leap with you.